toux creuse

English translation: hollow cough

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French term or phrase:toux creuse
English translation:hollow cough
Entered by: Bashiqa

13:42 Jul 3, 2019
French to English translations [PRO]
Medical - Medical (general) / patient examination
French term or phrase: toux creuse
Context: toux creuse avec secretions colorees
Note; Canadian French

All sorts of "toux" apart from creuse.
TIA Chris
Bashiqa
France
Local time: 18:21
hollow cough
Explanation:
I've certainly heard this term - and it seems about 7 or 8 times as common on the web as toux creuse

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Used in Jane https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/apr/28/guardian...
and to confirm this:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Jane_Eyre.djvu/46
If it was good enough for Charlotte Bronte, it's good enough for me!

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Jane Eyre!

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https://www.wordreference.com/fren/creuse

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True - but it is still used today - mostly I've found examples in homepoathic medicine e.g. https://www.fernsvitamins.com/vitamins/MBi/expectorant.html
abd it's also mentioned in this advert for wellbutrin (burptoprion) http://www.word-bank.com/wellbutrin/
This seems to indicate it is still a recognised term - though how you translate it will obviously depend on your context. As a pharmacist, I'd be happy with 'hollow cough' - if a patient described that to me, I'd know what they meant.

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I meant buproprion of course! Trying to do two things at once.
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pennylyd
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Local time: 17:21
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2deep cough
Marc-André Laniel
4 +1cough with chest retractions / intercostal retractions
pedrolmoura
3 +2hollow cough
pennylyd
Summary of reference entries provided
Sound of the cough
B D Finch
Toux creuse rattling cough
Michele Fauble
about dogs
liz askew

Discussion entries: 8





  

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30 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
cough with chest retractions / intercostal retractions


Explanation:
Creuse - L'inspiration s'accompagne de signes de rétraction intercostale, sus et sous-sternale. On observe un battement des ailes du nez. On dit que l'enfant "creuse" pour respirer.

Intercostal retractions are also known as chest retractions, which are mostly noticeable in coughing children due to the structure of their chest - the areas below the ribs, between the ribs, and in the neck sink in as a child inhales (breathes in). This "sinking in" is associated with the literal "hollow" meaning of creuse.


    Reference: http://www.doctissimo.fr/html/sante/encyclopedie/sa_789_bron...
    https://www.webmd.com/lung/lung-chest-retraction
pedrolmoura
Local time: 17:21
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  B D Finch: The "sinking in" in your reference is on an inhalation, but coughing can only be on an exhalation!//See my reference comment.
1 hr
  -> And yet "toux creuse" only seems to appear in the specific context of respiratory disease in the child: "toux creuse" and intercostal retractions also appear here: http://publications.msss.gouv.qc.ca/msss/fichiers/guide-gard...

agree  El Mehdi Hakkou: This definitely fits more. "Hollow cough" as a medical terminology is very uncommon
20 hrs
  -> Thank you Latifa!
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40 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
hollow cough


Explanation:
I've certainly heard this term - and it seems about 7 or 8 times as common on the web as toux creuse

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Used in Jane https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/apr/28/guardian...
and to confirm this:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Jane_Eyre.djvu/46
If it was good enough for Charlotte Bronte, it's good enough for me!

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Note added at 1 hr (2019-07-03 14:57:05 GMT)
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Jane Eyre!

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Note added at 1 hr (2019-07-03 15:01:14 GMT)
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https://www.wordreference.com/fren/creuse

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True - but it is still used today - mostly I've found examples in homepoathic medicine e.g. https://www.fernsvitamins.com/vitamins/MBi/expectorant.html
abd it's also mentioned in this advert for wellbutrin (burptoprion) http://www.word-bank.com/wellbutrin/
This seems to indicate it is still a recognised term - though how you translate it will obviously depend on your context. As a pharmacist, I'd be happy with 'hollow cough' - if a patient described that to me, I'd know what they meant.

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I meant buproprion of course! Trying to do two things at once.

pennylyd
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:21
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Notes to answerer
Asker: Any references to support this answer? Thanks, Chris.

Asker: What was used by Jane Eyre does not necessarily fit in with a medical translation today.

Asker: Thank you, Chris.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Adrian MM.
13 mins

agree  B D Finch
2 hrs

neutral  liz askew: hmm, can't find any bona fide medical refs.
3 hrs
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
deep cough


Explanation:
This is how I'd translate it. Multiple references on the Web which seem to be consistent with the context provided.

Marc-André Laniel
Local time: 12:21
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Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  abe(L)solano: en plus, il y a des secretions: https://www.quora.com/When-you-have-a-deep-cough-with-phlegm... https://www.health24.com/Experts/Question/Uncontrollable-con...
11 hrs
  -> Merci

agree  liz askew: This is the only one I would agree with
14 hrs
  -> Thank you
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Reference comments


2 hrs peer agreement (net): +2
Reference: Sound of the cough

Reference information:
These references seem to use "toux creuse" or "tousser creux" to the sound made by the cough, which could be heard by anybody, and not to a physical hollowing out that might be seen and described by a doctor performing a clinical examination.

https://www.mamanpourlavie.com/forum/.../toux-creuse-product...
Je consulte ou pas? Il a commencé à tousser creux du jour au lendemain ça va faire bientôt 2 semaines (vendredi). Il tousse surtout en se ...

https://archive.org/stream/b20401206/b20401206_djvu.txt
Définition parfaitement exacte; je ne la paraphrase pas, comme son auteur se ...... Toux creuse jour et nuit, douleur dans la poitrine comme s'il y avait une plaie, ...

moulin.chauffour.free.fr/patois/patois.htm
Tingler : Faire entendre une toux creuse.

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Canadian French too:

https://sencanada.ca/content/sen/committee/371/.../malherbe-...
à la définition de principes directeurs pour une politique publique sur les ...... Mon mal de vivre me réveillait plusieurs fois la nuit, secoué par une toux creuse.


    https://www.mamanpourlavie.com/forum/.../toux-creuse-productive
    https://archive.org/stream/b20401206/b20401206_djvu.txt
B D Finch
France
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 100

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  pennylyd: That's my understanding too. It's a cough coming from the chest rather than the throat which sounds 'hollow'.
4 mins
  -> Thanks Penny. Yes, it's descriptive of the sound, and that can then be used in diagnosis.
agree  Michael Barnett: I agree. Hollow, rattling, deep. It refers to the sound.
11 hrs
  -> Thanks Michael.
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11 hrs
Reference: Toux creuse rattling cough

Reference information:
Hydrastis Canadensis 6X HPUS: rattling/tickling cough,
https://www.hylands.ca/products/hylands-4-kids-nighttime-syr...

Hydrastis Canadensis 6X HPUS: Toux creuse/irritante
https://www.hylands.ca/fr/products/hylands-4-kids-nighttime-...

Michele Fauble
United States
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 28
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21 hrs
Reference: about dogs

Reference information:
https://hvdseigneuries.com/la-toux-de-chenil/

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La toux de chenil est caractérisée par une toux creuse et souvent productive. Les propriétaires confondront souvent les expectoras avec des vomissements.

Toux de chenil — Wikipédia


https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toux_de_chenil

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La toux de chenil, également appelée trachéobronchite infectieuse ou trachéobronchite contagieuse, est une maladie canine extrêmement contagieuse caractérisée ... Dans un chenil touché par la maladie, la mortalité (le plus souvent par ... Ils peuvent être accompagnés par des antitussifs si la touxn'est pas productive.

https://www.purina.co.uk/dogs/health-and-nutrition/...to...o...

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Kennel cough is a common respiratory infection in dogs that causes a harsh, hacking cough. Read our guide to the causes & treatments to help your dog.


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Support for my "agree"


Sirop pour la toux - fait maison! - Katto World
kattoworld.blogspot.com/2009/.../sirop-pour-la-toux-fait-maison.ht...
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... que ce sirop a empêché la toux creuse à Cole de se transformer en bronchite. ... that this syrup prevented Cole's deep cough to transform into a bronchitis.

liz askew
United Kingdom
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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