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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

poner en solución

English translation:

solvating/dissolving/releasing X into solution

Added to glossary by Magdalena Ponce
Mar 6, 2015 02:48
9 yrs ago
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Spanish term

poner en solución

Spanish to English Science Chemistry; Chem Sci/Eng Hydrochemistry
This is the context:
"Si el aumento del pH disuelve el vidrio volcánico poniendo en solución al fluoruro y arsénico es de esperar que exista una fuerte correlación positiva entre pH y el aumento en la concentración de fluoruro y arsénico."
It's a paper on hydrochemistry and I'd like to find a way of expressing the concept that sounds natural in this specific field.
Thanks!
Proposed translations (English)
4 solvating/dissolving
4 See below.
4 -1 placing... into a solution
3 merging into solution

Discussion

Neil Ashby Mar 6, 2015:
Great linguistic and scientific defence and explanation of your position.....
TravellingTrans Mar 6, 2015:
KudoZ rules 3.4 The only acceptable means of commenting on another's answer is by using the peer comment feature. Using the discussion area, the answer posting form or the answer explanation box to comment on another's suggestions is not allowed.
Neil Ashby Mar 6, 2015:
@ TT re: "Solvation is the process the process of surrounding solute particles with the solvent [you actually managed to copy this incorrectly from Wikipedia, with the "the process the process"], so OBVIOUSLY that means PHYSICALLY adding a solvent [no it doesn't mean that, nothing is physically added, the text certainly doesn't mention adding a solvent (why would it). The glass is already in a solution, note it is not "in solution", big difference!!, the pH is increased, physico-chemical reactions release F and Ar ions into the solution, they are solvated, then they are "in solution" (NOT "in a solution") or solvated - this is the process of dissolving the glass, by solvating its constituent ions.] to particles [ions not particles] already in a solution, and that ACTUALLY is not what is going on here, and it's the glass dissolving "

"adding solvent to particles already in a solution" let's assume you mean "ions" [particles are on a different scale and form suspensions] and "in solution". If the ions are in solution, they are already surrounded by solvent molecules and so "adding solvent to particles already in a solution" makes no sense whatsoever.
Neil Ashby Mar 6, 2015:
@ TravellingTrans re: "hmm, you mean like how the term "placing someone in danger" OBVIOUSLY only means actually physically lifting them into a dangerous position?"
"placing into A solution"
1) the verb is "dissolve" or "solvate", not "place into solution" (the asker requested "a way of expressing the concept that sounds natural in this specific field.", the expression "placing into a solution", in reference to the process of solvation doesn't sound accurate or natural to my ears and I've a PhD in chemistry.)
2) "placing into solution" might have been passable for lay purposes but certainly not "placing into A solution", there's a big difference!
3) All of your examples (e.g., "Placing Aluminum Foil into solution",
"the cell is placed into a solution") literally refer to physically placing something in a solution.
This is a physico-chemical process, whereby the increase in pH dissolves the glass releasing (not "placing" them) fluoride and arsenic ions into the solution. They are then basically instantly (on a thermodynamic scale) solvated by the solvent molecules - this process is called solvation or dissolution.
Why use a less-than-accurate lay term instead of the scientific one?

Proposed translations

6 hrs
Selected

solvating/dissolving

"If increasing pH dissolves the volcanic glass, thus solvating / dissolving the fluoride and arsenic, then a strong positive correlation between pH and the concentrations of fluoride and arsenic [ions in solution] can be expected."

In my opinion "dissolving the fluoride and arsenic" sound the most natural to a scientist's ear.

See the IUPAC (Int. Union for Pure and Applied Chem) definition
http://goldbook.iupac.org/S05747.html
solvation
Any stabilizing interaction of a solute (or solute moiety) and the solvent or a similar interaction of solvent with groups of an insoluble material (i.e. the ionic groups of an ion-exchange resin). Such interactions generally involve electrostatic forces and van der Waals forces, as well as chemically more specific effects such as hydrogen bond formation.



Solvation - wikidoc **

www.wikidoc.org/index.php/Solvation - Proxy - Highlight

Solvation, commonly called dissolution, is the process of attraction and association of molecules of a solvent with molecules or ions of a solute. As ions dissolve in a solvent they spread out and become surrounded by solvent molecules.



Hydronium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia **

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydronium - Proxy - Highlight

A draft IUPAC proposal also recommends the use of oxonium and oxidanium in ... (formed with the three water ligands in the first solvation shell of the hydronium) ...



solvation *

www.answers.com/topic/solvation - Proxy - Highlight

By an IUPAC definition. [. 1. ]. , solvation is an interaction of a solute ... Enthalpy of solvation can help explain why solvation occurs with some ionic ... Solvation. ·. Solvation shell ·. Enthalpy of solution. ·. Lattice energy



IUPAC Gold Book - solvation energy *

goldbook.iupac.org/ST07102.html - Proxy - Highlight

The change in Gibbs energy when an ion or molecule is transferred from a vacuum (or the gas phase) to a



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This might be a good alternative:
"If the increase in pH dissolves the volcanic glass, thereby releasing fluoride and arsenic ions into solution, then a strong positive correlation can be expected between the pH and the concentrations of fluoride and arsenic [ions in solution]."

Peer comment(s):
disagree TravellingTrans : Solvation is the process the process of surrounding solute particles with the solvent, so OBVIOUSLY that means PHYSICALLY adding a solvent to particles already in a solution, and that ACTUALLY is not what is going on here, and it's the glass dissolving
2 hrs
Sorry I can't make any scientific sense of what you've written (except the part you've copied from Wikipedia). I've stated that the glass is being dissolved, as are the F and Ar ions (NOT particles!) - that's what dissolving the glass means!!!
agree Ray Ables
4 hrs
Thanks Ray ;@)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks for the explanations, Neil!"
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12 mins

placing... into a solution

the rise in pH disolves the volcanic glass placing the floride and arsenic into a solution

ex:
placed in a 10% Sucrose Solution
placed in a hypotonic solution
Placing Aluminum Foil into solution
cell is placed into a solution
Peer comment(s):
disagree Neil Ashby : "placing into a solution", obviously, would mean "take a lump of solid A and PHYSICALLY place it in solution B", it does not refer to the process known as "solvation". The volc. glass is already physically in the solution, inc. pH dissolves it further.//
6 hrs
hmm, you mean like how the term "placing someone in danger" OBVIOUSLY only means actually physically lifting them into a dangerous position?
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26 mins

merging into solution

getting into solution
moving into solution
mixing into solution
Peer comment(s):
neutral Neil Ashby : Does not sound natural, nor is it fully descriptive of the process.
6 hrs
Thank you for your comments, Neil
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10 hrs

See below.

Just a jigger of common sense.

"If an increase in pH dissolves the volcanic glass liberating the fluoride (anion) and Arsenic (cation), it is expected that..."
Peer comment(s):
neutral Neil Ashby : Nice, sounds familiar ""If the increase in pH dissolves the volcanic glass, thereby releasing fluoride and arsenic ions into solution....", see the end of my explanation which was posted before your answer.
9 mins
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