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Mar 12 11:11
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French term

Cellule d’irradiation

French to English Tech/Engineering Energy / Power Generation Photovoltaic systems
From instructions for the use of a road surface photovoltaic system:

"L’armoire électrique est connectée aux dalles, elle intègre des équipements de régulation, de transformation et de surveillance énergétique.
Elle est équipée de :
• Protection DC
• Protection AC
• Onduleur (Voir annexe 1)
• Parafoudre
• Monitoring WebdynSun (Voir Annexe 2)
• **Cellule d’irradiation** positionnée sur le dessus de l’armoire, elle peut être déportée si besoin
• Accessoires (prises 2P+T, thermostat, ventilateur, antenne XXX)
• Option : un compteur d’énergie XXX de marque XXX pour les installations de grande capacité"

"Irradiation cell" doesn't sound right to me in this (non-nuclear) context
Proposed translations (English)
4 +4 solar radiation sensor
5 Irradiation and Temperature Sensor
3 irradiance meter
References
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Discussion

Johannes Gleim Mar 23:
BME688 The BME688 is the first gas sensor with Artificial Intelligence (AI) and integrated high-linearity and high-accuracy pressure, humidity and temperature sensors. It is housed in a robust yet compact 3.0 x 3.0 x 0.9 mm³ package and especially developed for mobile & connected applications where size and low power consumption are critical requirements. The gas sensor can detect Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs), volatile sulfur compounds (VSCs) and other gases such as carbon monoxide and hydrogen in the part per billion (ppb) range.
https://www.bosch-sensortec.com/products/environmental-senso...

This exemplifies many other sensors. It should be emphasised that these are chips located in a housing and note that, as a factory inspector, I have checked many manufacturers for compliance to standards, including for gas sensors, and am therefore familiar with their internal layout.
Johannes Gleim Mar 23:
Silvanet Wildfire Sensor While reading my technical-scientific journal today, I came across another sensor that draws its energy from a solar panel and detects gases and smoke with a micromechanical chip. It was easy to track down on the Internet.

The Silvanet Wildfire Sensor is designed to detect forest fires within minutes, often during their early smoldering phase, greatly reducing the risk of them spreading out of control. Sensor is designed to detect forest fires within minutes, often during their early smoldering phase greatly reducing the risk of them spreading out of control. Our solar-powered wildfire sensors use LoRaWAN for wireless data transmission and can run maintenance-free for up to 15 years without the need for batteries, avoiding the use of lithium and other toxic materials.
https://www.dryad.net/wildfiresensor

Silvanet Wildfire Sensor
Solar Panel 6x6cm
Gas Sensor Bosch BME688
Size 3.0 x 3.0 x 0.93 mm
Pressure: 300 to 1100 hPa
Humidity: 0 to 100%
Temperature: -40 to 85°C
Sensors CO, CO2, H2, VOC, Temperature, Humidity, Air Pressure
https://www.dryad.net/_files/ugd/072dcb_f7e61a91d1074df3a91e...
Schtroumpf Mar 22:
Irritation sensor getting hotter...
Johannes Gleim Mar 22:
Where your source? ---
Bashiqa Mar 22:
@ Johannes . irradiation

noun. Antonyms: deep serious significant intemperate compact
indigestible
demanding
Johannes Gleim Mar 22:
@ Bashiqua I am quite sure that you are being irradiated by your radiator, rather than radiated. Thank you for confirming.
Spatial dependence of the radiator and irradiated point in 3D.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Spatial-dependence-of-th...
Bashiqa Mar 22:
@ anybody who has time to spare The radiators in my house radiate heat, not light. I feel warm but do not, as far as I am aware become irradited. The sensor in my body indicates that I am warm.
Johannes Gleim Mar 22:
@ Mark I'm sorry, but "radiation" is the exact opposite of "irradiation". You should already know that from your Latin lessons. Example:
religiosus = conscientious, faithful, God-fearing, pious, holy
irreligiosus = godless
iniustus = unjust, unfair, wrong
iustus = just, honest, upright, lawful, right

Again: Radiation is the light emitted from any source.
Irradiation is the received light from the source.
The context deals only with irradiation.
Bashiqa Mar 22:
@ Mark Would you please close the question. Whether you award me the points is not important, but would at least put an end to further discussion points. Thank you, Chris. aka bashiqa.
Johannes Gleim Mar 22:
Comparison of cells and sensors Une cellule photoélectrique1 (dite aussi cellule photovoltaïque ou photorésistance) est un dispositif composé d'un capteur photosensible, dont les propriétés électriques (tension, résistance, etc.) varient en fonction de l'intensité du rayonnement lumineux capté.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellule_photoélectrique

La cellule photoconductrice
C’est un capteur résistif qui est caractérisé par l’influence du flux de rayonnement reçu sur la valeur de sa résistance.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capteur_de_proximité#Capteur_d...

A sensor is a device that produces an output signal for the purpose of detecting a physical phenomenon.
In the broadest definition, a sensor is a device, module, machine, or subsystem that detects events or changes in its environment and sends the information to other electronics, frequently a computer processor.
Analog sensors such as potentiometers and force-sensing resistors are still widely used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensor

Note: A metering instrument is a device (containing sensors for sensing environmental values)
Johannes Gleim Mar 14:
"Irradiation CELL" sonne en effet un peu décalé. Je m'appuie plutôt sur la terminologie du client et de SMA.

D'ailleurs, cette terminologie est également utilisée par sevensensor.com :
"Irradiance sensors are devices that measure the amount of sunlight that falls on a specific surface in a given time period. These sensors are widely used in photovoltaic (PV) plants to measure the amount of solar radiation that is available for conversion into electricity."
https://www.sevensensor.com/irradiance-sensor-types-and-usag...
Schtroumpf Mar 14:
Monsieur Gleim... Au lieu de prétendre à une quelconque supériorité de votre savoir, veuillez lire la question. Il y est clairement spécifié : CELLULE d'irradiation alors que tout le monde est parti sur les CAPTEURS pour le moment.
Je trouve un peu agaçant qu'au lieu de valoriser ma contribution, vous estimez utile d'y répondre... à côté. Le demandeur Mark a pourtant posé sa question précisément ainsi :
""Irradiation CELL" doesn't sound right to me" !
Johannes Gleim Mar 14:
@ Schtroumpf Very industrious! But please inform yourself about the basics of electronic measurement technology first. You always need a reference point, in this case the "cellule de référence". When measuring voltage, for example, you need the earth or the protective conductor as a reference point. You also need a reference point when measuring other values.
I measured temperatures electronically for 16 years during my professional career and always used a reference point. A simple example would be a thermocouple with hot and cold leads.
Conclusion: the reference cell is a necessary part of the irradiation sensor, but not the irradiation sensor itself.
Incidentally, we do not need to rely on competitors if the customer WebdynSun has already chosen or coined the term itself.
Schtroumpf Mar 13:
Cellule, cell... D'après cette source, le capteur est en fait muni d'une cellule de référence.
"Le capteur d’irradiance solaire à cellule de référence est la meilleure solution pour la surveillance des centrales solaires photovoltaïques car il s’agit d’une miniature de panneaux photovoltaïques. [...]
Le courant de la cellule de référence est mesuré en mesurant la tension aux bornes d’une petite résistance incluse dans le module de la cellule de référence."
https://www.sevensensor.com/fr/etude-comparative-des-pyranom...
Et bien évidemment la cellule s'appelle cell en anglais :
https://www.sevensensor.com/comparison-of-pyranometers-vs-re...
Je n'ai pas cherché plus loin et vous laisse vérifier la fiabilité de cette piste. Bonne soirée !
Bashiqa Mar 13:
@ Johannes Yes, there is a difference - the solar radiation sensor is irradiated by the sun. I.e. my answer is correct I believe.
Johannes Gleim Mar 13:
@ Bashiqa Thank you! I see, you've understood the differencs.
Bashiqa Mar 13:
@ Johannes I have spent the last 30 minutes outdoors feeling the warmth of the solar radiation. I now feel sufficiently irradiated to come back indoors. No further refs.
Johannes Gleim Mar 13:
@ Althea As a factory inspector, I have also checked SMA and its products, e.g. Sunny Boy, for conformity with the certifications and therefore know them very well. Even back then, they only ever talked about "irradiation".
Johannes Gleim Mar 13:
Difference between radiation and irradiation What are the similarities and differences between radiation and irradiation?
There is some confusion in the use of these two words.
Relevant answer: It just depends on the point of view of view. Radiation is the energy emitted by a source. Irradiation is the process of exposing an object to radiation.
https://www.researchgate.net/topic/Radiation
This energy must penetrate the air layer and any clouds and is further reduced by the angle of incidence and any shading from trees and neighbouring buildings.
Johannes Gleim Mar 13:
How is it called by WebdynSun? It is superfluous to invent a new designation because the device is already distributed by the manufacturer under the name "Irradiation and Temperature Sensor".
If only the "Irradiation sensor" is emphasised in the context, the name can be shortend to "Irradiation Sensor". You wouldn't rename the United States of America either.
Althea Draper Mar 12:
From the description in your additional context, it sounds like a PV solar monitoring system. My mum's solar panels inverter has a unit in it that sends data about the instantaneous PV power generated to a small unit that can display real time generation or historic generation. Examples in this link for domestic and large sale generation
https://www.solartradesales.co.uk/Cache/Downloads/Sunny-beam...
There are also units that can be installed directly onto solar modules and measure irradiation and temperature, see here
https://documents.unboundsolar.com/media/sma-sunny-sensor-bo...
Mark Bossanyi (asker) Mar 12:
Additional context "La cellule d’irradiation permet de contrôler l’ensoleillement réel reçu et d’envoyer les informations via le XXX [monitoring system] vers la plateforme de monitoring.

Proposed translations

+4
1 hr
Selected

solar radiation sensor

Part of the control system providing the info required for best performance.
Peer comment(s):
agree Mark Nathan
1 hr
Thank you.
agree Daryo
1 hr
Thank you.
agree philgoddard : Meter is fine too.
9 hrs
Thank you.
agree Kim Metzger
10 hrs
Thank you.
disagree Johannes Gleim : I miss any references. BTW: It's not the radiation from the sun, but the irradiation. // Please check the Kudoz-Rules, item 1.3! References and citations may help the asker to understand amd to evaluate the relevance.
22 hrs
Since when are references required? however just to keep you happy, https://rainwise.com/sensors/solar-radiation-sensors
agree Schtroumpf
1 day 2 hrs
Thank you.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks Bashiqa and to all who contributed to the discussion."
6 hrs

irradiance meter

This must be the Xattxay system by Mon petit frère, t'auras du lolo, the Boogieman parent company of which I do a lot of work for. There's a Xattxay solar road (the first) not far from me here in Normandy. These days they seem to be focusing on using the system cycle paths rather than roads, or as isolated 'pads' for charging ebikes, etc.

The irradiance meter atop the control station serves to measure the efficiency of the system.

Irradiance is measured in watts per square meter and comes in the form of electromagnetic radiation. An irradiance meter therefore allows you to measure how your solar PV panel is performing and ensures you are getting the maximum output from your PV system.
https://www.testinstrumentsolutions.co.uk/knowledgebase-arti...

You'll find reference to the Normandy solar road and the term 'irradiance meter' here:
https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/13/22/12807?type=check_update...

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These days they seem to be focusing on using the system for cycle paths ...

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Peer comment(s):
neutral Emmanuella : ..sur le dessus de l'armoire?
59 mins
?? C'est ce que dit le texte. Mais la cellule peut être déportée.
neutral Johannes Gleim : Your link also shows an irradiance sensor: Figure 10. … (b) solar irradiance measuring sensor (yellow colored) and illuminance measuring sensor (blue colored). https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/13/22/12807?type=check_update...
17 hrs
That is true ... but the photo labels the 'solar irradiance measuring sensor' as 'solar irradiance meter', which is also the name given the TES 132 device by its Taiwanese manufacturer.
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8 hrs

Irradiation and Temperature Sensor

Typically, both measuring modules for sunlight radiation and cell temperature are combined.

WebdynSunPM
Gateway for solar plants with Power Management
The WebdynSunPM concentrator is used to monitor and control photovoltaic installations by collecting, analyzing and modifying the equipment parameters. Define your scenarios to modulate the power injected to the grid, optimize energy storage or manage your own consumption. Installation and programming is simple and user-friendly using the embedded web server and the configuration wizard, and it can be done remotely. It is compatible with most platforms. WebdynSunPM operates sending the data to one or two servers, or backing it up locally on a micro SD card. Its Power Management feature allows offloading, autoconsumption, storage, as well as other actions
https://www.webdyn.com/product/webdynsunpm/

Sens’ Irradiation
Irradiation and Temperature Sensor
Webdyn’s Sens’ Irradiation sensor is a wired device designed to detect the irradiation and temperature with a high accuracy.
https://www.webdyn.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Sens-Irrad...

4.3 Mounting the Irradiation and Temperature Sensor
1. Connect the irradiation and temperature sensor to the bracket using the nuts recessed in the
frame.
2. Lay the connection cable.
☑ The irradiation and temperature sensor is fully mounted.
:
5.2 Temperature Sensor for the Temperature Compensation
Configuration of the Sunny Boy Control Plus or Sunny Central Control
For the configuration, please refer to the Sunny Boy Control Plus user manual. In the case
of the Sunny Central Control, the configuration is described in the Sunny Central user
manual.
Temperature compensation
If required, manually perform a temperature compensation of both measured values
(irradiation and temperature). The irradiation sensor is calibrated to 25 °C.
https://www.solartradesales.co.uk/Cache/Downloads/RA100T-NR-...

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To set the scene, we characterize the long-term energy availability of solar resource at any location, the theoretical potential. This potential is illustrated by the physical variable of global horizontal irradiation (GHI), which is the sum of direct and diffuse irradiation components received by a horizontal surface. GHI is measured in kilowatthours per square metre (kWh/m²).
https://globalsolaratlas.info/global-pv-potential-study

Solar irradiance is the power per unit area (surface power density) received from the Sun in the form of electromagnetic radiation in the wavelength range of the measuring instrument. Solar irradiance is measured in watts per square metre (W/m²) in SI units.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_irradiance

The first step for simulating photovoltaic systems is modeling the irradiation.
The irradiation on the PV modules is calculated from the climate data, which usually contain the ambient temperature and the solar irradiation in hourly resolution. This requires a series of partial steps:
1. Calculation of the sun position
2. Calculation of extraterrestrial radiation
3. Calculation of the geometry of module area and angle of irradiation (tracking)
4. Division of irradiation into direct and diffuse components (Diffuse radiation model)
5. Calculation of shadowing losses due to distant objects (horizontal shading)
6. Calculation of irradiation on the inclined plane
7. Calculation of [ground reflection] (https://help.valentin-software.com/pvsol/en/calculation/irra...
https://help.valentin-software.com/pvsol/en/calculation/irra...

Performance the irradiance sensor is one of the sensors used in the PV plant for professional monitoring and evaluation of photovoltaic systems.
The irradiance sensor, known as the photovoltaic pyranometer, has emerged with the development of photovoltaic systems as a derivative of pyranometers and is used to measure the value of irradiance from the sun.
https://www.google.com/search?q="irradiance sensor" "photovo...

The Irradiance sensor also referred to as a photovoltaic pyranometer, has emerged as a derivative of pyranometers with the development of photovoltaic systems. Its purpose is to measure the irradiance value from the sun.
https://suryalogix.com/irradiance-sensor/

Irradiance sensors

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Since I have noticed that my reference list has been broken off here for unknown reasons, I would like to add the missing ones.

Further references on the identity of cells and sensors:

Irradiance sensor (SE1000-SEN-IRR-S1)
• The irradiance sensor is a high-quality solar cell. It measures solar irradiance levels for photovoltaic systems.
https://segensolar.co.za/product/solaredge/environmental-sen...

A silicon solar cell can be used as an irradiance sensor, because the short-circuit current is proportional to the irradiance
https://www.imt-solar.com/fileadmin/docs/en/products/Si-Sens...

The Irradiance Sensor is a high-quality solar cell that measures solar irradiance levels for commercial PV systems. The sensor's irradiance output signal is 0 to 1V covering a 0 to 1000W/m2 range
https://www.solaredge.com/en/products/metering-and-sensors/e...

Silicon solar irradiation sensors (Reference cells or Si sensors) offer an economical but robust and reliable solution for measuring solar irradiance levels, particularly for monitoring photovoltaic systems. The design of the sensor element, which corresponds to that of a photovoltaic module, make these sensors ideally suited as a reference for monitoring photovoltaic systems.
https://www.imt-solar.com/solar-irradiance-sensors/

The irradiance sensors of the Si-Series measure via a monocrystalline silicium solar cell the solar irradiance. To minimize influences of temperature to the measuring signal all of our irradiance sensors are using an active temperature compensation via a temperature sensor laminated to the back surface of the solar cell.
Additionally to the solar irradiance measurement our Si-Sensors with the extension “-T” are able to measure the solar cell temperature. This solar cell temperature can approximately be used as module temperature.
https://www.meteocontrol.com/fileadmin/Daten/Dokumente/IT/1_...
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : Maybe, but that's not what the French says, and once again your answer doesn't merit a 5.
2 hrs
I just completed an electrotechnical webinar this morning and can now answer. The manufacturer Webdyn uses the English term "Irradiation and Temperature Sensor", like the global market leader SMA.
neutral Bashiqa : Where does the question mention temperature? Do you really think that N number of references makes it correct?
16 hrs
The questioner asks for the English name of a combined irradiation and temperature sensor distributed by Webdyn. Why not search for their product in English?
neutral Schtroumpf : "Capteur de température et irradiation" (https://www.webdyn.com/fr/produit/sens-irradiation-capteur-d... Ce n'est pas le terme qui était demandé - comme souvent chez vous. // Irridation sensor or irritation?? SCNR :o)))
18 hrs
DIdn't you read my answers to Phil and Bashiqa? Why do not agree to the shorted version irridation sensor?
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For the moment i can only find your phrase in the context of nuclear energy

https://www.asn.fr/l-asn-informe/dossiers-pedagogiques/les-i...

Outre les centrales nucléaires de production d'électricité ... cellule d'essai. © G.Lesénéchal/CEA. Le réacteur ... Les cellules d'irradiation de ces installations ...

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In the context of solar energy I can find



capteur d'irradiation solaire

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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Capteur d’irradiation ener...
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