Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Text. Gestalten

English translation:

Textile design

Added to glossary by Antoinette-M. Sixt Ruth
Feb 18, 2011 15:13
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German term

Text. Gestalten

German to English Social Sciences Education / Pedagogy Realschule Pflichtfach
I am translating a Realschule-Diploma. One of the compulsory subjects is "Bild. Kunst/ Werken/ Text. Gestalten".
My question: does "Text." stand for "Textil" or "textlich"?
I would appreciate any input and if the direction goes toward "textlich", then I would welcome a translation into English.
Than you.
Proposed translations (English)
3 Textile design
5 +1 Crafts
4 +1 Textiles
3 +2 Textile technology
Change log

Feb 18, 2011 15:25: Ingo Dierkschnieder changed "Term asked" from "Bild. Kunst/ Werken/ Text. Gestalten" to "Text. Gestalten"

Feb 18, 2011 15:25: Steffen Walter changed "Field" from "Other" to "Social Sciences"

Discussion

784512 (X) Feb 19, 2011:
and then add geography into the mix Agreed re: Nicole's comment on so-called "Home Ec".
784512 (X) Feb 19, 2011:
With Susa, but... There's also a temporal relevance issue here. As a (relative) youngster, the terms I am used to may be different to what anyone 10 or 20 years older than me might have known at school. The subject has become an issue of gender politics - prescribed ideas awbout what practical skills boys or girls should be learning.
This I think is what has prompted the move toward calling everything a "Technology" (to give cooking equal respectability to non-advanced but impressive sounding "electronics"). The general field when I was at my girls' state grammar school around ten years ago was Design Technology, and we covered Textile Technology, Food Technology and Construction Technology. Sexist, still, since the connected boy's grammar did not do Food Technology, but instead "Electronics" (without the Technology adjunct). The word "Crafts", in my exposure at least, no longer appears to be used. Perhaps due to the gender politics (girls do crafts, boys do technology), or the fact that new subjects like Electronics can't really be called a craft.

As Susa says, depends on what the school itself includes in its curriculum. I would however be inclined to believe Penny has the answer
Helen Shiner Feb 18, 2011:
Handicrafts? Is this too old-fashioned a term? We called it needlework at school, but then we didn't get involved in paper making or such like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicraft
Mech White Feb 18, 2011:
What about 'fibre crafts' which would make it quite clear, that it does not include wood or metal working, but is broader than needle work and could also include felting paper making etc.
Susanna MacKenzie Feb 18, 2011:
The definitions seem to vary from one school to another. The aim of the subject is to give students the possibility to explore their creative side using a variety of different materials.
The only way to know whether the customer's school included or excluded woodwork or only needlecraft in "Textiles Gestalten", would be to ask him directly.
Apart from that, bearing in mind the objective of the translation, i.e. show the students level of creativity, the term "crafts" represents it fairly well. I do like the term "technology"in Penny's suggestion, which elevates it into a more artistic sphere, rather than simply "homely" knitting and crochet (no offense to knitters, puleeeze, I like it myself :) ) - can't we find a combination of both terms somehow?
Nicole Schnell Feb 18, 2011:
"Crafts" won't do. German middle schools and high schools have a separate class for that. It is called "Gestaltendes Werken", where girls and boys together build stuff from wood, plastics, card board and whatever materials that might fall victim to their efforts to build little mechanical devices. Knitting, sewing and such is not included.
Nicole Schnell Feb 18, 2011:
Tricky question In the US this is part of Home Economics, where the girls also have classes in cooking and such. In Germany "Textiles Gestalten" refers to sewing, knitting, weaving and crocheting only.
Coqueiro Feb 18, 2011:
Textiles Gestalten definitely
Mech White Feb 18, 2011:
I believe it stands for 'textiles Gestalten', wich means needle crafts, many hits if you google the term together with Realschule

Proposed translations

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Textile design

sounds a bit too obvious but why not
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Crafts

Your complete term would be then Arts/Woodwork/crafts

In German schools "Textiles Gestalten" includes any work done with textiles, i.e. needlecraft, but also weaving and various creations using jute and any textile imaginable - the detail is left to the imagination and preference of the teacher.

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Note added at 1 hr (2011-02-18 17:11:37 GMT)
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Here you have a definition of what this subject entails in schools:
http://www.isb.bayern.de/isb/download.aspx?DownloadFileID=a9...
Hence the term "crafts", since it is as much a general term as "Textiles Gestalten", basically anything creative you do with your hands and any material.
Peer comment(s):

neutral philgoddard : But crafts involve all kinds of materials, not just fabric, surely?//Sorry, but I looked at your reference and it's very clearly about fabrics.
1 hr
Good point - thank you - I added a note to answer your question.
agree British Diana
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Textiles

The subject has always been known as 'textiles' in the schools I've worked in (GB).

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Note added at 18 hrs (2011-02-19 09:54:29 GMT)
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'Technology' is added to 'Food' commonly (Food Tech is an accepted curriculum term) ... but I've never heard of 'textile technology'.
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Textile technology

This is probably what it would be called in the UK. Sadly, everything arty or crafty has to be a technology these days

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Note added at 1 day19 hrs (2011-02-20 10:38:15 GMT)
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I'm surprised one person has never heard of textile technology as it is a recognised GCSE subject in England and Wales (though I think some boards call it Textiles Technology which would also be an option).
Peer comment(s):

agree 784512 (X) : I went to a girls' grammar. We called it "Textiles", commonly, but yes, I think it might have had that formal name as well. / Design Technology or Design and Technology (DT) is/was the name of all related subjects (e.g. food tech., construction tech.,etc)
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agree philgoddard : Or design.
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