Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
записанный
English translation:
overpainted
Added to glossary by
Susan Welsh
Oct 23, 2013 13:29
10 yrs ago
Russian term
United States
Psychology, economics, politics
Native in: English 
Works in: Russian to English, German to English, English
сильно записанный
Russian to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
evaluation of authenticity of a work of art
About a museum deciding whether to buy a work of art:
Реставраторы и искусствоведы считают, что мы имеем дело с подлинником, но очень **сильно записанным,** а технологи говорят, что произведение выполнено в конце XIX, а не в XV веке.
Written about? In bad condition because people have scribbled over it [like Leonardo's manuscripts?]? (I find this phrase online in descriptions of used mattresses and carpets that people are trying to sell!)
Thanks in advance.
Реставраторы и искусствоведы считают, что мы имеем дело с подлинником, но очень **сильно записанным,** а технологи говорят, что произведение выполнено в конце XIX, а не в XV веке.
Written about? In bad condition because people have scribbled over it [like Leonardo's manuscripts?]? (I find this phrase online in descriptions of used mattresses and carpets that people are trying to sell!)
Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +3 | heavily overpainted |
Denis Shepelev
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| 4 +1 | heavily painted over |
Michael Korovkin
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| 2 | overlaid with later paintings |
interprivate
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References
| Записанная икона |
Denis Shepelev
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Proposed translations
+3
38 mins
Denis Shepelev
Bulgaria
Bulgaria
Native in Russian
Bulgaria
Deliver Optimum Solutions & High Quality
Native in: Bulgarian 
, Russian
Works in: English to Bulgarian, Bulgarian to English, English to Russian, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
8
Selected
heavily overpainted
По композиции „Сошествие во ад" несколько отличается от такой же композиции в Благовещенском соборе, но очень близко к „Сошествию во ад" Успенского собора во Владимире, искаженному записями и производящему впечатление слабой копии с хорошего оригинала.
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/rus-Lavra/11.htm
overpaint (подправка красками, сделанная поверх первоначального слоя живописи)
http://www.multitran.ru/c/m.exe?l1=2&l2=1&s=������
Auction house not liable for heavily overpainted Old Master
http://www.oostwaard.com/kunstrecht/artikel/177
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Note added at 41 mins (2013-10-23 14:10:14 GMT)
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запись means overpaint
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/rus-Lavra/11.htm
overpaint (подправка красками, сделанная поверх первоначального слоя живописи)
http://www.multitran.ru/c/m.exe?l1=2&l2=1&s=������
Auction house not liable for heavily overpainted Old Master
http://www.oostwaard.com/kunstrecht/artikel/177
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Note added at 41 mins (2013-10-23 14:10:14 GMT)
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запись means overpaint
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Tatyana Osyka
: Overpainted icon of the Virgin Katafigi http://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/overpai... I don't know if the link works.
9 mins
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Спасибо.
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| agree |
Jim Tucker (X)
: Yes -- and leave the "very" out of the trans.
3 hrs
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Спасибо.
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| agree |
Sasha Spencer
3 hrs
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Спасибо.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to all, including to Zamira, who was the first to answer and gave me the essential concept."
28 mins
interprivate
Native in Russian
Native in: Russian , Ukrainian
Works in: English to Russian, Italian to Russian, Russian to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
overlaid with later paintings
Just and idea
+1
6 hrs
Michael Korovkin
Italy
Italy
Native in Russian
&
English
Specializes in field
Italy
Native in: English , Russian
Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian, Italian to Russian, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
35
heavily painted over
that's it, I think.
Either corrected or simply painted over with another image.
Naturally, as a native speaker you would know that overpainted is a completely different kettle of fish, meaning simply "overworked". That's not it – at least not here.
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Note added at 6 hrs (2013-10-23 19:52:43 GMT)
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oh, sorry I forgot: hi Susan, long time no hear! :)))
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Note added at 20 hrs (2013-10-24 10:17:35 GMT)
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Is it mot that your “native speaker's vocab may be somewhat "underworked"?
I.e.,
How to Not Overwork a Painting? | GNSI
www.gnsi.org › Forums › General Discussion
Oct 26, 2010 - I have a question for fellow artists. How do you know when to stop working on an image so that you don't overwork your painting. As I look at a ...
Overworked - Painter's Keys Content Archives - Robert Genn
clicks.robertgenn.com/overworked.php
May 13, 2008 - Overworking takes place when you lose control. As you fail in facility and freshness, you try to save the day with fiddle and fuss. The passage ...
The causes of overworking clickback - Painter's Keys Content Archives
clicks.robertgenn.com/overworking.php
The causes of overworking. November 26, 2010. Dear Artist, Flowers, 2010 -- acrylic painting 30 x 24 inches by Susan Marx Flowers, 2010 acrylic painting
WHAT TO DO WITH AN OVERWORKED PAINTING - jackie ...
jackiesimmondsartyfacts.blogspot.com/.../what-to-do-with-overworked-p...
Nov 5, 2012 - Overworking a painting is not at all uncommon, so don't beat yourself up if you find yourself doing this; it is easy to keep working on a painting ...
How to Avoid Overworking your Painting - Swinton's Art Supply ...
www.swintonsart.com/.../232-how-to-avoid-overworking-your-p...
When is your painting finished? There are no definite rules but it's easy to tell when something has been overworked because it seems unsure of itself. We offer ...
How to Avoid Overworking Your Painting - Swinton's Art Supply ...
www.swintonsart.com › Blog › Educational
Swinton's Art Supply, Instruction & Framing is an art retail store with over 10000 art products; an instructional facility offering art classes and workshops, and a ...
[PDF]
I often trash overworked paintings... Knowing when to stop is important
kirstywither.com/.../Artits%20and%20Illustrators%20PDF%20Apr_11.pd...
trash paintings if I have overworked them, when the sensible option would be to walk away. Knowing when to stop is important – that comes with experience.”.
Keep working until it's done – All the Strange Hours - David Rourke
rourkevisualart.com/wordpress/2009/04/.../keep-working-until-its-done/
Apr 10, 2009 - I agree that you need to keep working on a painting until nothing sticks out to you. I have also overworked paintings and lost the freshness to ...
Self Portrait: Overworking a Painting Always Ends in Disaster
painting.about.com › ... › Step-by-Step Painting Demos
by Marion Boddy-Evans - in 2,680 Google+ circles
If you can't paint a decent portrait of yourself, how can you hope to paint a portra
Etc...
Either corrected or simply painted over with another image.
Naturally, as a native speaker you would know that overpainted is a completely different kettle of fish, meaning simply "overworked". That's not it – at least not here.
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Note added at 6 hrs (2013-10-23 19:52:43 GMT)
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oh, sorry I forgot: hi Susan, long time no hear! :)))
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Note added at 20 hrs (2013-10-24 10:17:35 GMT)
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Is it mot that your “native speaker's vocab may be somewhat "underworked"?
I.e.,
How to Not Overwork a Painting? | GNSI
www.gnsi.org › Forums › General Discussion
Oct 26, 2010 - I have a question for fellow artists. How do you know when to stop working on an image so that you don't overwork your painting. As I look at a ...
Overworked - Painter's Keys Content Archives - Robert Genn
clicks.robertgenn.com/overworked.php
May 13, 2008 - Overworking takes place when you lose control. As you fail in facility and freshness, you try to save the day with fiddle and fuss. The passage ...
The causes of overworking clickback - Painter's Keys Content Archives
clicks.robertgenn.com/overworking.php
The causes of overworking. November 26, 2010. Dear Artist, Flowers, 2010 -- acrylic painting 30 x 24 inches by Susan Marx Flowers, 2010 acrylic painting
WHAT TO DO WITH AN OVERWORKED PAINTING - jackie ...
jackiesimmondsartyfacts.blogspot.com/.../what-to-do-with-overworked-p...
Nov 5, 2012 - Overworking a painting is not at all uncommon, so don't beat yourself up if you find yourself doing this; it is easy to keep working on a painting ...
How to Avoid Overworking your Painting - Swinton's Art Supply ...
www.swintonsart.com/.../232-how-to-avoid-overworking-your-p...
When is your painting finished? There are no definite rules but it's easy to tell when something has been overworked because it seems unsure of itself. We offer ...
How to Avoid Overworking Your Painting - Swinton's Art Supply ...
www.swintonsart.com › Blog › Educational
Swinton's Art Supply, Instruction & Framing is an art retail store with over 10000 art products; an instructional facility offering art classes and workshops, and a ...
[PDF]
I often trash overworked paintings... Knowing when to stop is important
kirstywither.com/.../Artits%20and%20Illustrators%20PDF%20Apr_11.pd...
trash paintings if I have overworked them, when the sensible option would be to walk away. Knowing when to stop is important – that comes with experience.”.
Keep working until it's done – All the Strange Hours - David Rourke
rourkevisualart.com/wordpress/2009/04/.../keep-working-until-its-done/
Apr 10, 2009 - I agree that you need to keep working on a painting until nothing sticks out to you. I have also overworked paintings and lost the freshness to ...
Self Portrait: Overworking a Painting Always Ends in Disaster
painting.about.com › ... › Step-by-Step Painting Demos
by Marion Boddy-Evans - in 2,680 Google+ circles
If you can't paint a decent portrait of yourself, how can you hope to paint a portra
Etc...
Note from asker:
| Hi Michael. Maybe I'm too overpainted a native speaker to have noticed, but I never heard of such a term meaning "overworked." Don't overpaint yourself! |
| Oh. Not being an artist, I understood "overworked" to be what happens to a translator who has been glued to the computer for a 14-hour day for two weeks with no day off. Live and learn. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
The Misha
: Sure, overworked means the kind you should have left well alone way back and didn't, and now it's been worked to death and beyond any recognition. I should know, I have a few of those:) Cheers, Michael.
1 hr
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Yep, overwriting is the commonnest of sins!
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Jim Tucker (X)
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpainting // Absolutely unambiguous in this context. Museums have to make these decisions all the time. It's an authenticity issue, not an aesthetic one. (And "overworking" is irrelevant here. You brought that one up.)
5 hrs
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see my explanation. At best, the usage is ambiguous; at worst – wrong.. I can bring in Googòe too; that's not the way to solve this, though. It's also linguistic. In my vew, "painted over" is a correct usage. Goddit?...(I mean, do you understand?):)))))
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Reference comments
6 mins
Denis Shepelev
Bulgaria
Bulgaria
Native in Russian
Bulgaria
Deliver Optimum Solutions & High Quality
Native in: Bulgarian , Russian
Works in: English to Bulgarian, Bulgarian to English, English to Russian, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
8
Reference:
Записанная икона
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
The Misha
: Да она не столько записанная, сколько зака....нная!
7 hrs
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