Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
IV группа
English translation:
4-ая группа/Group 4
Added to glossary by
Oksana Sandler
Dec 27, 2005 21:56
18 yrs ago
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IV группа
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Full sentence:
Но со всем этим мы готовы мириться, т.к. мы, IV группа, считаемся выше других воспитанников.
Is this fourth grade, or fourth year of high school? The year is 1926, and I know between about 1918 -1929 (before the семилетка/десятилетка system began) children were supposed to go for 9 years, though in practice they often didn't.
Later he refers to the , which does make it sound like high school.
I should mention also this is a детская трудколония.
Но со всем этим мы готовы мириться, т.к. мы, IV группа, считаемся выше других воспитанников.
Is this fourth grade, or fourth year of high school? The year is 1926, and I know between about 1918 -1929 (before the семилетка/десятилетка system began) children were supposed to go for 9 years, though in practice they often didn't.
Later he refers to the , which does make it sound like high school.
I should mention also this is a детская трудколония.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +9 | 4 группа |
Oksana Sandler
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| 5 | IV group; IV class |
ganaa444
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| 4 | senior group |
Vladimir Dubisskiy
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| 4 | Grade IV |
koundelev
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Proposed translations
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Oksana Sandler
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Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English
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Russian term (edited):
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4 группа
Not really sure but may be it has nothing to do with the system (семилетка/десятилетка) and the quantity of years, but just a number? Because i worked in orphanages and that's how they divide kids there - into groups and these groups have numbers. Kinda like a kindergarden...:)
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Natalie
: Exactly like in kindergarten!
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Thank you, Natalie
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russka (X)
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Thank you, russka
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Mark Vaintroub
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Thank you, Mark
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Blithe
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Thank you, Blithe
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
: "4-я группа", "IV-я группа", "старшая группа"
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Спасибо, Владимир
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Sergei_A
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Thank you, Sergei
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Janina Nowrot
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Thank you, Janina
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Dimitri Todika
: yup yup :)
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Thank you, Dimitri
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Dorene Cornwell
: I also would just translate it literally, Group 4,
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Thank you, Dorene
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
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Russian term (edited):
IV ������
senior group
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Russian term (edited):
IV ������
Grade IV
It's the fourth year of primary school.
<<выпускная IV группа>> means simply that in that orphanage they had only the first four grades. The next step could be local school.
In the books by Makarenko devoted to the same period (1925-1938) you may find the term "группа" related to "grade"...
<<выпускная IV группа>> means simply that in that orphanage they had only the first four grades. The next step could be local school.
In the books by Makarenko devoted to the same period (1925-1938) you may find the term "группа" related to "grade"...
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Russian term (edited):
IV ������
IV group; IV class
This is not the 4th year or 4th grade of something. This is the 4th group among the same-year grade groups. At school this is like 1-й А класс, 1-й Б класс и т. д. In the university the “grade” is called кyрс and there are groups (грyппа) within the same кyрс: e. g. грyппа АГ 31, АГ 32 means groups 1 and 2 of the 3rd year. (АГ is the abbreviation of the profession and specialty).
Discussion
"From 1918 until 1934, elementary and secondary education was organized on the basis of groups (gruppy) that corresponded to the degree of a pupil's preparation rather than age. A resolution of the TsK of the VKP(b) and SNK of 15 May 1934 "On the Structure of the Elementary and Secondary School in the USSR" restored grades (klassy). See Narodnoe obrazovanie v SSSR: Obshcheobrazovatel'naia shkola. Sbornik dokumentov, 1917-1973 gg. (Moscow, 1974), p. 167. Cited in Stalinism as a Way of Life by Siegelbaum and Sokolov, YUP 2000.