Jan 9, 2013 23:39
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Russian term

налоговое экспертирование

Russian to English Bus/Financial Finance (general)
Перечень услуг банка: налоговое экспертирование

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Pham Xuan Thanh Jan 11, 2013:
Difference b/w Tax Assessment and Tax consulting "Tax Assessment" has much more extent of mandatory than "Tax consulting" that just required for giving expert advice within a taxation field.
Pham Xuan Thanh Jan 11, 2013:
Difference b/w Tax Assessment and Tax consulting Assessment:
calculate and demand (the tax money due) from a person or entity; To impose or subject to (taxation and legal)
"Once you've submitted a tax return, the Tax Department will assess the amount of tax you still owe".
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/assess

Before self assessment was introduced, the Tax Department calculated your tax and then issued a tax assessment showing any tax you owed. The tax assessment may be issued if you have omitted income from your Tax Return;
Then a Tax Assessment Notice issued by the same competent authority is always followed by the concluded Tax Assessment.
http://blog.mytaxzone.com.au/2010/03/2010-income-tax-assessm...

Consultancy:
the practice of giving expert advice within a particular field; The act or an instance of consulting that offering expert or professional advice in a field;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultancy

In a business environment, consultants are often used to create the functional specifications from which vendors can respond. Consultants typically come from third party consulting firms or self-employed individuals.
A tax advisor is a financial expert specially trained in tax law.

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28 mins
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fiscal assessment / valuation

Экспертирование - проведение экспертизы.

http://tm.ua/36.html
"Международная классификация товаров и услуг для регистрации торговых марок

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Экспертиза налоговая
360025
E - Fiscal assessments
E - Valuations (fiscal -)
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Peer comment(s):

agree Maria Popova
20 mins
agree cyhul
9 hrs
neutral ViBe : (1) Если "проведение экспертизы", то лучше "examination" or "drawing up expert opinions," но так ли это? (2) Why would a bank do my taxes? (3) "торговая марка" - НЕТ такого термина в российском законодательстве. Есть ли в украинском - не знаю.
10 hrs
neutral The Misha : Assessment has a very specific meaning in the taxation context usually referring to imposition of tax by gvt authorities. Valuation is a specific function that may be performed for tax reasons - or for a whole bunch of others. Not a good description.
11 hrs
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25 mins

tax consulting

My sense is that экспертирование is a broad term that can involve reviewing documents, drawing up opinions, etc. I would go for something broad like "consulting."
Peer comment(s):

agree Susan Welsh
22 mins
Thanks. I don't like to get hung up on words like экспертиза and эксперирование. If it's a bank, it's probably a consulting service, right?
neutral ViBe : "advice" could also work if this is what they want to say, but what does "экспертирование" mean in actual fact? Зачем прогулявшие школу банкиры изобретают лишние слова без надобности, коверкая русский язык?!
10 hrs
Не знаю, может нормальных слов они не знают. :)
agree The Misha : The original term is if in fact very lame and pompous, but it's not like you are responsible for this, right?
11 hrs
That's the view I usually take.
agree Сергей Лузан
13 hrs
Thanks
agree Sam Pinson
13 hrs
Thanks
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30 mins

tax expertise

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Peer comment(s):

neutral ViBe : "expertise" = «совокупность специальных знаний», а не услуга, оказываемая банком
10 hrs
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15 hrs

tax due diligence consulting

налоговая экспертиза+консультирование?

“Экспертирование” употребляется как минимум в двух значениях

1. Работа экспертов (как процесс) по проведению экспертиз, см. http://fip.kpmo.ru/fip/info/13449.html или http://gendocs.ru/v38209/лекция-_прогнозирование,проектирова...
2. Консультирование, выполняемое экспертами относительно экспертных или иных заключений, отчетов, просто документов, см. http://lev-group.ru/legal/, или http://www.ul-rabota.ru/resume-16923.html

Может быть, под "налоговым" экспертированием (поиск коего через гуглы дает ссылки только на эту страницу), имеются в виду консультации эксперта (юриста, банковского работника и т.п.) относительно именно и в частности налоговых экспертиз?

Примеры употребления tax due diligence consulting:
...where he was responsible for performing both financial and tax consulting services to a variety of foreign investors as well as tax due diligence consulting services of a number of merger and acquisition deal structures for potential buyers см. (http://www.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconews/sehk/2009/1215/00...

E. J. McKay acted as the financial advisor, CMS the legal advisor, and Deloitte & Touche as the financial and tax due diligence consultant
(http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2012/12/20/513045/0/en...

Shawn also provides consulting on tax due diligence and structuring for M&A transactions.
http://www.tgccpa.com/shawnhoward.php

Вообще хорошо бы справиться в том самом банке, что конкретно имеется ввиду.
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7 hrs

tax assessment

The determination of how much a person or company owes in taxes. One usually determines one's own tax assessment by declaring one's income and capital gains from the previous year and applying the methodology the government requires to arrive at the tax liability.
Before self assessment was introduced, the Inland Revenue calculated your tax and then issued a tax assessment showing any tax you owed. These types of assessments are now not normally issued. An assessment may be issued if you have omitted income from your Tax Return if the deadline for raising enquiries by the Inland Revenue has passed.
http://www.taxpenny.co.uk/tax-glossary.html

http://www.mutualfundsindia.com/tracker_supreme.asp
http://blog.mytaxzone.com.au/2010/03/2010-income-tax-assessm...
https://www.nordisketax.net/main.asp?url=files/nor/eng/i06.a...
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/1125190/taxat...


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Difference between Tax Assessment and Tax consulting (in extent of mandatory):

"Tax Assessment" has much more extent of mandatory than "Tax consulting" that just required for giving expert advice within a taxation field.

Assessment:
the act of assessing or an amount (of tax, levy or duty etc) assessed;
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/assessment
To calculate and demand (the tax money due) from a person or entity; To impose or subject to (taxation and legal)
"Once you've submitted a tax return, the Tax Department will assess the amount of tax you still owe".
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/assess

Before self assessment was introduced, the Tax Department calculated your tax and then issued a tax assessment showing any tax you owed. The tax assessment may be issued if you have omitted income from your Tax Return;
Then a Tax Assessment Notice issued by the same competent authority is always followed by the concluded Tax Assessment.
http://blog.mytaxzone.com.au/2010/03/2010-income-tax-assessm...

Consultancy:
the practice of giving expert advice within a particular field; The act or an instance of consulting that offering expert or professional advice in a field;
A consultant who is engaged in Consultancy (from Latin: consultare "to discuss") is a professional who provides professional or expert advice[1] in a particular area such as security (electronic or physical), management, accountancy, law (tax law, in particular), human resources, marketing (and public relations), finance, engineering, or any of many other specialized fields.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultancy
In a business environment, consultants are often used to create the functional specifications from which vendors can respond. Consultants typically come from third party consulting firms or self-employed individuals and engages with multiple and changing clients. Consultants work at client places on behalf of a consultancy or Billing company. Some consultants are individuals hired by companies to do work for them on a contractual basis. They are not employees of the company hired to do a specific work. They are expected to do their job ethically and responsibly with minimum supervision.
A tax advisor is a financial expert specially trained in tax law. Some countries require tax advisors to verify the balance sheets of companies above a certain size. Individuals usually require tax advisors to minimize taxation, to avoid learning the details of tax law in complicated financial situations themselves or to learn the details of tax law from a professional advisor.
Peer comment(s):

neutral ViBe : Why in the world would a bank do Mr. Taxman's job???
3 hrs
Before self assessment was introduced, an expert calculated the business's tax and then issued a tax assessment showing any tax that business owed.
neutral Sam Pinson : Pham, a "5" confidence level indicates you are absolutely positive that your answer is correct. Do you really have enough context to say that this is "tax assessment" and not "tax consulting"?
6 hrs
Let's see.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

tax assistance?

"Tax assistance" is a service commonly provided by tax preparers / consultants, (certified) accountants / auditors, and similar professionals, and also by tax authorities themselves, but apparently some banks may also offer what they call “tax assistance” (see the links below).

To be on the safe side, though, I'd double-check with the bank to see what they actually mean. In plain Russian.

PS. Недавно испытал культурно-языковой шок при виде рекламного щита одного московского банка, предлагавшего среди прочего услуги «сейфинга» (sic! - http://www.baltbank.ru/safes-spb.html). Еще меня концепция «лайФ-ньюС» радует. При таких темпах и масштабах эпидемии словотошнотворчества, охватившей банкиров и членов других профессиональных сообществ, не мешало бы провести среди «экспертов» элементарный ликбез как по английскому языку, так и – что еще более актуально – по русскому. Не включить ли нашему брату-переводчику эту услугу в перечень наших «компетенций»? Just a thought…
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