Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
государственник
English translation:
proponent of (person committed to) a strong state
Added to glossary by
Alexander Tkach
May 23, 2009 09:24
15 yrs ago
Russian term
государственник
Russian to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
"...ещё раз подтверждают, что Партия ХХХ - это объединение истинных патриотов, подлинных государственников."
Есть вариант statist - но он не совсем точный и имеет всё-таки не совсем позитивный оттенок.
Есть вариант statist - но он не совсем точный и имеет всё-таки не совсем позитивный оттенок.
Proposed translations
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proponents of a strong state
In this instance, for example:
... an association of people who are true patriots and genuine proponents of a strong state.
... true patriots and genuinely committed to a strong state.
Statesman, statist, loyalist have somewhat different particular meanings or tone.
... an association of people who are true patriots and genuine proponents of a strong state.
... true patriots and genuinely committed to a strong state.
Statesman, statist, loyalist have somewhat different particular meanings or tone.
Peer comment(s):
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Arkadi Burkov
25 mins
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Thanks, Arkadi.
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agree |
The Misha
1 hr
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Thanks, The Misha.
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agree |
Elena Dogan
2 hrs
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Thank you.
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agree |
Tokyo_Moscow
4 hrs
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Thank you.
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agree |
Angela Greenfield
7 hrs
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Thanks, Angela.
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agree |
Victor Zagria
7 hrs
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Thanks, Victor.
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agree |
Mikhail Kropotov
: Way to go!
9 hrs
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Thanks, Mikhail.
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agree |
Olga Cartlidge
13 hrs
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Thanks, Olga.
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agree |
Oxana Snyder
1 day 19 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to all for such an intense discussion!"
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etatist, statist, advocate of statism
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loyalist
A loyalist is a person who remains firm in their support for a government or ruler. (Collins COBUILD)
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state-minded political figure(s)
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stat-welfare minded political figur...
see also
"state-minded military steps in it will ..."
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http://www.nirdagan.com/research/200002/
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stat-welfare minded political figur...
see also
"state-minded military steps in it will ..."
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http://www.nirdagan.com/research/200002/
Peer comment(s):
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Michael Korovkin
: state minded dudes!!!
3 hrs
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спасибо, Михаил. Эмфатика воодушевляет :))
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a believer in a strong state
according to multitran.ru
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state supporters
Hi, Al.
I am a supporter of state both as a doctrine and as an administrative entity, but far be it from me to support an excessively strong state! Gosudarstvennik as I am I am for the state's PRESENCE – especially in such areas of public life as education, medical care and the citizens' security – but at the same time I like relatively week state in zillions other respects – especially in the economic–industrial sphere. So, I would not use "strong state" in this context at all.
Cheers.
I am a supporter of state both as a doctrine and as an administrative entity, but far be it from me to support an excessively strong state! Gosudarstvennik as I am I am for the state's PRESENCE – especially in such areas of public life as education, medical care and the citizens' security – but at the same time I like relatively week state in zillions other respects – especially in the economic–industrial sphere. So, I would not use "strong state" in this context at all.
Cheers.
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Lina Episheva
: ИМХО, не главное, чтобы встречалось в гугле, главное, чтобы встречалось в англоязычных источниках, так что не стоит затрудняться и засорять
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это не слово, а два; но раз в гогле нету, значит не имеет права на существование. Зато слово зеленых инопланетян и кроптонита – сколько хочешь. А я, вот, щас, раз, и вставлю их в гугль – и, значит, будет все в порядке – станет встречаться.
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strong advocate of statehood
strong advocate of statehood
Peer comment(s):
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Mikhail Kropotov
: Statehood? Compare http://www.answers.com/statehood and http://www.slovopedia.com/15/195/1501989.html
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why not
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statesman
Statesman - a political leader whose wisdom wins a great respect among public which believes that he/she would keep the country's integrity.
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"true statesmen"
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"true statesmen"
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Mikhail Kropotov
: 'Statesman' is synynomic to 'politician,' nothing more
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Since when?
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advocate of the country's territorial integrity
именно этот аспект доминирует сегодня над другими
Discussion
http://www.panorama.ru/works/vybory/party/p-ovr.html
(2) "strong state" is important if "territorial integrity" is not threatened
"Strong state" does not necessarily mean "excessively strong state." In the context of post-Soviet Russia, where many advocated drastic reduction of the role of the state, "государственник" came to mean a proponent / advocate / partisan / devotee / what have you ... of a strong role of the state in society, including _especially_, though not exclusively, in economic and industrial policy. The juxtaposition of государственники v. рыночники is well known.
I would be very hesitant to use "state supporter," not only because it sounds weird ("a true patriot and genuine state supporter"), but because in political contexts, such as this one clearly is, the combination "state supporter" very often is part of the phrase "state supporter of terrorism", so much so, that one can "hear" "of terrorism", or at least the question "of what?", as a natural continuation.
What else can I say? Just enter "state supporter" and you'll see.
As for your explanation about them being a party and therefore entitled to the denominator "statesman", well, I repeat, it's not any party member but only the one with a relatively high formal/structural position may be the one entitled to the name statesman ("may be" because even among prime ministers nowadays there are e few real statesmen). It's not a simple concept to explain but as Misha justly noted it has nothing whatsoever to do with the persons supporting the (idea of) the state. All of it is just to help a colleague, so, please, do not take any of it personally. Whe cares, eh?