Glossary entry

Russian term or phrase:

государственник

English translation:

proponent of (person committed to) a strong state

Added to glossary by Alexander Tkach
May 23, 2009 09:24
15 yrs ago
Russian term

государственник

Russian to English Social Sciences Government / Politics
"...ещё раз подтверждают, что Партия ХХХ - это объединение истинных патриотов, подлинных государственников."

Есть вариант statist - но он не совсем точный и имеет всё-таки не совсем позитивный оттенок.

Discussion

Eric Candle May 23, 2009:
territorial integrity (1)"Прежде всего, государственник - этот человек, целью которого является сохранение территориальной целостности России",
http://www.panorama.ru/works/vybory/party/p-ovr.html
(2) "strong state" is important if "territorial integrity" is not threatened
Angela Greenfield May 23, 2009:
meaning of the Russian word http://www.slovopedia.com/15/195/1501989.html
Rachel Douglas May 23, 2009:
"strong state" etc. Two points of discussion, since they were raised:

"Strong state" does not necessarily mean "excessively strong state." In the context of post-Soviet Russia, where many advocated drastic reduction of the role of the state, "государственник" came to mean a proponent / advocate / partisan / devotee / what have you ... of a strong role of the state in society, including _especially_, though not exclusively, in economic and industrial policy. The juxtaposition of государственники v. рыночники is well known.

I would be very hesitant to use "state supporter," not only because it sounds weird ("a true patriot and genuine state supporter"), but because in political contexts, such as this one clearly is, the combination "state supporter" very often is part of the phrase "state supporter of terrorism", so much so, that one can "hear" "of terrorism", or at least the question "of what?", as a natural continuation.
Michael Korovkin May 23, 2009:
To my detractor Lina Episheva (in relevance) In your disagreement you said "state supporter" ’вообще нигде не встречается’. I was so surprised that went against my own rules, looked into Google and found 4800, as they call them, "hits" there.
What else can I say? Just enter "state supporter" and you'll see.
As for your explanation about them being a party and therefore entitled to the denominator "statesman", well, I repeat, it's not any party member but only the one with a relatively high formal/structural position may be the one entitled to the name statesman ("may be" because even among prime ministers nowadays there are e few real statesmen). It's not a simple concept to explain but as Misha justly noted it has nothing whatsoever to do with the persons supporting the (idea of) the state. All of it is just to help a colleague, so, please, do not take any of it personally. Whe cares, eh?

Proposed translations

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proponents of a strong state

In this instance, for example:

... an association of people who are true patriots and genuine proponents of a strong state.

... true patriots and genuinely committed to a strong state.

Statesman, statist, loyalist have somewhat different particular meanings or tone.
Peer comment(s):

agree Arkadi Burkov
25 mins
Thanks, Arkadi.
agree The Misha
1 hr
Thanks, The Misha.
agree Elena Dogan
2 hrs
Thank you.
agree Tokyo_Moscow
4 hrs
Thank you.
agree Angela Greenfield
7 hrs
Thanks, Angela.
agree Victor Zagria
7 hrs
Thanks, Victor.
agree Mikhail Kropotov : Way to go!
9 hrs
Thanks, Mikhail.
agree Olga Cartlidge
13 hrs
Thanks, Olga.
agree Oxana Snyder
1 day 19 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks to all for such an intense discussion!"
7 mins

etatist, statist, advocate of statism

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loyalist

A loyalist is a person who remains firm in their support for a government or ruler. (Collins COBUILD)
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state-minded political figure(s)

sic

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stat-welfare minded political figur...
see also
"state-minded military steps in it will ..."


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http://www.nirdagan.com/research/200002/
Peer comment(s):

agree Michael Korovkin : state minded dudes!!!
3 hrs
спасибо, Михаил. Эмфатика воодушевляет :))
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a believer in a strong state

according to multitran.ru
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state supporters

Hi, Al.
I am a supporter of state both as a doctrine and as an administrative entity, but far be it from me to support an excessively strong state! Gosudarstvennik as I am I am for the state's PRESENCE – especially in such areas of public life as education, medical care and the citizens' security – but at the same time I like relatively week state in zillions other respects – especially in the economic–industrial sphere. So, I would not use "strong state" in this context at all.
Cheers.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Lina Episheva : ИМХО, не главное, чтобы встречалось в гугле, главное, чтобы встречалось в англоязычных источниках, так что не стоит затрудняться и засорять
22 mins
это не слово, а два; но раз в гогле нету, значит не имеет права на существование. Зато слово зеленых инопланетян и кроптонита – сколько хочешь. А я, вот, щас, раз, и вставлю их в гугль – и, значит, будет все в порядке – станет встречаться.
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10 hrs

strong advocate of statehood

strong advocate of statehood
Peer comment(s):

neutral Mikhail Kropotov : Statehood? Compare http://www.answers.com/statehood and http://www.slovopedia.com/15/195/1501989.html
23 mins
why not
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statesman

Statesman - a political leader whose wisdom wins a great respect among public which believes that he/she would keep the country's integrity.

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"true statesmen"
Peer comment(s):

disagree Mikhail Kropotov : 'Statesman' is synynomic to 'politician,' nothing more
2 hrs
Since when?
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14 hrs

advocate of the country's territorial integrity

именно этот аспект доминирует сегодня над другими
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