Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
русские народные говоры
English translation:
Russian folk dialects
Added to glossary by
Emily Justice
Jun 12, 2006 15:23
17 yrs ago
Russian term
United Kingdom
русские народные говоры
Russian to English
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Linguistics
Context - a book on South Russian dialects.
This has been translated as 'Russian Rural Dialects'. I'm not sure about 'rural' however. Is 'rural' necessarily implied here? I would have thought 'narodnye' had a wider meaning.
This has been translated as 'Russian Rural Dialects'. I'm not sure about 'rural' however. Is 'rural' necessarily implied here? I would have thought 'narodnye' had a wider meaning.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +9 | Russian folk dialects |
Andrey Belousov (X)
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| 5 +1 | Russian vernaculars |
Natalia Gagarina
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| 4 +2 | Russian subdialects |
Andrew Vdovin
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| 4 | popular |
Margaryta Maksimtseva
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| 3 +1 | varieties of Russian pronunciation |
Aleksandr Okunev (X)
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| 3 | Russian local speech patterns |
Dorene Cornwell
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Change log
Jun 12, 2006 15:57: Natalie changed "Term asked" from "Russkie Narodnye Govory" to "русские народные говоры"
Proposed translations
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3 mins
Russian term (edited):
Russkie Narodnye Govory
Selected
Russian folk dialects
Dictionary of Russian folk dialects : Volume 33: Protka - Razluka ] ... This is a dictionary of local Russian folk dialects compiled by scholars from the ...
www.panrus.com/books/category.php?langID=1&catID=33 - 144k
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http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:-AhBq-vXf14J:www.philol...
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Диалекты и литературный язык. Атлас «Язык русской деревни» необычен. ... Говор, или диалект, – одно из основных понятий диалектологии. ...
www.gramota.ru/book/village/ - 43k
www.panrus.com/books/category.php?langID=1&catID=33 - 144k
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Диалекты и литературный язык. Атлас «Язык русской деревни» необычен. ... Говор, или диалект, – одно из основных понятий диалектологии. ...
www.gramota.ru/book/village/ - 43k
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Based on peer agreement, I am persuaded :)
Thanks very much. "
5 mins
Margaryta Maksimtseva
Native in Russian
Words matter
Native in: Russian 
Works in: Spanish to Russian, Russian to Spanish, Ukrainian to Spanish, and 3 more.
Russian term (edited):
Russkie Narodnye Govory
popular
Another variant. Folk is fine, too.
+1
55 mins
varieties of Russian pronunciation
Back at Uni I thoroughly studied the varities of English pronunciation. «Govor» is a variety of •pronunciation• and NOT a dialect which is much broader, despite the fact that most RU-EN-RU dictionaries treat these two as complete synonyms.
HTH
HTH
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Margaryta Maksimtseva
: that´s true. Govor and dialect doesn´t have the same meaning.
4 hrs
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+1
3 hrs
Natalia Gagarina
Russian Federation
Russian Federation
Native in Russian
Works in field
Russian Federation
Legal, business & marketing translation
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, Latin to Russian, and 1 more.
Russian vernaculars
http://www.eki.ee/books/redbook/khants.shtml
vernacular - народный, национальный, родной язык (диалект, говор) в отличие от литературного языка страны
vernacular - народный, национальный, родной язык (диалект, говор) в отличие от литературного языка страны
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Andrew Vdovin
: А как же тогда различать диалект и говоры?
1 hr
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| agree |
Victor Polivkin
9 hrs
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Thank you!
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+2
4 hrs
Andrew Vdovin
Native in Russian
Specializes in field
DELVING into DETAIL
Native in: Russian 
Works in: English to Russian, Russian, Russian to English, and 2 more.
Russian subdialects
Говор уже, чем диалект, диалект - это совокупность однородных говоров. Поэтому для "говора" я бы использовал термин subdialect.
Русские народные говоры - Russian vernacular (folk) subdialects
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Диалект карибу состоит из очень близких друг к другу говоров падлимиут (от границы ...
www.philology.ru/linguistics4/vakhtin-97d.htm
Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian standard languages, although all based on neo-štokavian dialect (or, more precisely, various subdialects) and mutually ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtokavian_dialect
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Кстати, rural dialect - это т.н. "крестьянский говор", т.е. местный диалект, употребляемый преимущественно земледельцами, которые в ряде стран выступают как представители наиболее замкнутой ("отсталой") социальной группы. Для Вашего контекста этот термин явно не подходит.
Русские народные говоры - Russian vernacular (folk) subdialects
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Диалект карибу состоит из очень близких друг к другу говоров падлимиут (от границы ...
www.philology.ru/linguistics4/vakhtin-97d.htm
Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian standard languages, although all based on neo-štokavian dialect (or, more precisely, various subdialects) and mutually ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtokavian_dialect
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Кстати, rural dialect - это т.н. "крестьянский говор", т.е. местный диалект, употребляемый преимущественно земледельцами, которые в ряде стран выступают как представители наиболее замкнутой ("отсталой") социальной группы. Для Вашего контекста этот термин явно не подходит.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Irene Woodhead
: Absolutely w/ subdialects, that's what a "говор" is, but doesn't "русский народный" imply "rural"? IMHO, it does.
12 hrs
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| agree |
yulia2006
1 day 3 hrs
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7 hrs
Dorene Cornwell
Native in English
Works in field
Thorough, sensitive, and idiomatic
Native in: English
Works in: Russian to English, Spanish to English, English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
Russian local speech patterns
Despite the number of august colleagues advocating for "dialect," I would suggest something more like "speech pattener."
To me, a dialect can include both different vocabulary and different ways of saying the same words, different speech patterns. "Speech pattern" and dialect areclose tooverlapping, but not completely.
Research to support this point? Oh, that is left to the Asker
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In the US, speech patterns are often identified as regional accents, but accents / speech patterns can be quite different even acros fairly compact geographical distances.
To me, a dialect can include both different vocabulary and different ways of saying the same words, different speech patterns. "Speech pattern" and dialect areclose tooverlapping, but not completely.
Research to support this point? Oh, that is left to the Asker
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In the US, speech patterns are often identified as regional accents, but accents / speech patterns can be quite different even acros fairly compact geographical distances.
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