Glossary entry (derived from question below)
русский term or phrase:
пока целая
английский translation:
Shut your trap while you're still in one piece!
Added to glossary by
Alexandra Taggart
Oct 23, 2010 05:39
13 yrs ago
русский term
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Native in: английский
Works in: французский => английский, португальский => английский, итальянский => английский, and 3 more.
пока целая
русский => английский
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Жаргон
Full expression:
Закрой рот пока целая
This is the response from the officer when a woman asked why she was being detained. (Belarus)
Закрой рот пока целая
This is the response from the officer when a woman asked why she was being detained. (Belarus)
Proposed translations
(английский)
Change log
Oct 26, 2010 19:26: Alexandra Taggart Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
6 час
Alexandra Taggart
Россия
Россия
Native in русский
&
английский
Россия
proficient translation
Native in: английский 
, русский
Works in: русский => английский, английский => русский, английский
Related KudoZ points
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12
Selected
Shut your trap while you're still in one piece!
"Before I destroy you"
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Thank you! I'm always at your service!
In fact, this expression is a derivative from "Вернуться С ВОЙНЫ ЦЕЛЫМ и невредимым". Many soldiers had returned home with one leg, or one arm, broken scull, etc when the II World war ended.
Why the officer replied by using these words - IMHO, probably because that lady didn't simply ask the question,perhaps, she was too argumentative, she had "started a war".
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Thank you! I'm always at your service!
In fact, this expression is a derivative from "Вернуться С ВОЙНЫ ЦЕЛЫМ и невредимым". Many soldiers had returned home with one leg, or one arm, broken scull, etc when the II World war ended.
Why the officer replied by using these words - IMHO, probably because that lady didn't simply ask the question,perhaps, she was too argumentative, she had "started a war".
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks! The other suggestions were also useful, but this is a matter of putting in what a thug would say in similar circumstances in English. A literal translation would fail here, of course."
2 мин
Michael Kislov
Россия
Россия
Native in русский
Россия
Legal & Financial since 1999
Native in: русский 
Works in: русский => английский, английский => русский
Related KudoZ points
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4
while you're unhurt
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28 мин
or else (here)
Shut up or else
Peer comment(s):
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Andrei B
: or else = "а то ..." - другая идиома (нет столь сильного намека на физическое наказание, как в "пока целая") Очень четкое пояснение см. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=or else// "пока целая" не вызывает вопросов типа "or else what?"
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1. Ваше понимание обеих идиом, как мне кажется, несколько узко. "or else" — inspecific threat of bad consequences — http://bit.ly/caRiKN / "пока цел" — Уходи, пока цел! (угроза) — http://bit.ly/a2Pcdu 2. You seem to miss "(here)" in my answer//No comment.
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Dmitry Murzakov
Россия
Россия
Native in русский
Россия
Your FinMarkets Translator
Native in: русский
Works in: английский => русский, русский => английский
while you are safe
Источник - Abby Lingvo, статья -"целый".
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33 мин
interprivate
Native in русский
Native in: русский , украинский
Works in: английский => русский, итальянский => русский, русский => английский, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
while you are still in/with a whole skin
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http://www.babylon.com/definition/skin/Russian
in/with a whole skin - цел и невредим;
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http://books.google.com.ua/books?id=wuLrTJ0wtlMC&pg=PA143&lp...
escape with a whole skin - (also: keep a whole skin) escape without damage, remain unhurt
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Note added at 37 mins (2010-10-23 06:16:51 GMT)
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http://www.babylon.com/definition/skin/Russian
in/with a whole skin - цел и невредим;
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Note added at 44 mins (2010-10-23 06:23:19 GMT)
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http://books.google.com.ua/books?id=wuLrTJ0wtlMC&pg=PA143&lp...
escape with a whole skin - (also: keep a whole skin) escape without damage, remain unhurt
Peer comment(s):
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Andrei B
: Escape? Do you mean the woman can somehow escape while in detention, hurt or unhurt?// You can hardly find an example of your suggested phrase in a context similar to Asker's
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В моем ответе НЕТ слова escape.Фраза с escape дана только в качестве одного из примеров употребления"with a whole skin". Но проявлю толерантность к отсутствию у Вас способности это понять.И Вам не стоит приписывать свои домыслы чужому ответу. Спасибо
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53 мин
Mark Berelekhis
США
США
Native in русский
&
английский
Works in field
США
Exemplary quality, truly bilingual
Native in: русский , английский
Works in: русский => английский, английский => русский, английский
Related KudoZ points
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123
(shut your mouth) or I'll shut it for you
For something idiomatic.
Peer comment(s):
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Jack Doughty
12 мин
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Thank you.
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svetlana cosquéric
3 час
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Thank you.
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LanaUK
8 час
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Thank you.
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1 час
Rachel Douglas
США
США
Native in английский
США
Excellent English from Russian originals
Native in: английский (Variants: US, British, Australian)
Works in: русский => английский
Related KudoZ points
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24
(Shut your mouth) while you've still got one!
Pretty threatening.
Peer comment(s):
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Natalie
: :-)
3 час
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Thanks, Natalie.
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Rodion Shein
9 час
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Thanks, Rodion.
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Andrei B
: The expression sounds uncommon as one of intimidation, whereas пока цел(ая) is frequently used as such. The disparity made me think you'd done it word-for-word/ Sounds new to me. I thought it's rather common in "while you've still got time/chance" Thanks
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Why would you be trying to do a word-for-word translation here? If the lady's mouth/teeth/jaw get knocked out, I guess she won't be целая any more. / "Do X while you've still got Y" is common in warnings & threats. It works here as a variation.
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Angela Greenfield
1 дн 17 час
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Thanks, Angela.
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interprivate
2 дн 8 час
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Thank you.
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2 час
David Knowles
Native in английский
Specialist in Civil Law & Contracts
Native in: английский
Works in: русский => английский, английский, украинский => английский
Related KudoZ points
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9
(shut your mouth) while you can
to keep as much of possible of the idea of "wholeness"
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maybe "while you still can", but I'm not sure!
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maybe "while you still can", but I'm not sure!
Peer comment(s):
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Andrei B
: "but I'm not sure" sounds really strange from a native English speaker. Hint: in the context of a cop speaking menacingly to a detained woman, the idea of целая is not that of "whole" - it's about her limbs still unbroken and face unpunched
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2 час
(shut up) or you're gonna get hurt (ИЛИ get it)
get it = to be punished or scolded (Informal)
см. ссылку в Интернете
get hurt = то же самое , но с сильным намеком на физическое наказание
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Important:
The idiom "пока целая" means a threat of physical injury to be inflicted unless the order (Закрой рот = shut up) is obeyed
см. ссылку в Интернете
get hurt = то же самое , но с сильным намеком на физическое наказание
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Note added at 3 час (2010-10-23 08:45:42 GMT)
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Important:
The idiom "пока целая" means a threat of physical injury to be inflicted unless the order (Закрой рот = shut up) is obeyed
Reference:
Peer comment(s):
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rns
: "The idiom "пока целая" means a threat of physical injury" — you surely would provide a proof link that it can't be just a general threat? // To me? Never. I thought you'd owe it to yourself.
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Do I really need to provide anything to you at all here?
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Natalie
: Слабоватая угроза получается//Уже предложен - у Рейчел прекрасный вариант
14 час
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Угроза слабовата? // Не спорю. Но get hurt однозначнее по применению (см. коммент к Rachel) и встречается на порядки чаще (проверьте Гуглом) - важнейшие преимущества с учетом "богатства" проф. языка копов/ментов Писал я свой ответ не зная о ее "while..."
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