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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Quarkknöpfle

English translation:

Swabian egg noodles

Added to glossary by David Williams
Mar 13, 2012 10:25
12 yrs ago
German term

Quarkknöpfle

German to English Marketing Cooking / Culinary
Context:

"- Quarkknöpfle mit toskanischer Sauce"

On a menu from Bavaria. I thought that Quarkknöpfle were sweet noodles, a bit like Spätzle, but that doesn't seem to tie in with Tuscan sauce, which seems to be savoury, as far as I can tell.

* Sentence or paragraph where the term occurs: See above
* Document type: menu
* Target audience: Diners
* Country and dialect (source): German (Bavaraia)
* Country and dialect (target): American English
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 Swabian egg noodles
4 +2 Bavarian-style quark gnocchi ....
4 Bavarian quark spaetzle
References
Quarkspätzle
Gnocchi
Change log

Mar 13, 2012 10:43: Steffen Walter changed "Field" from "Other" to "Marketing"

Discussion

Colin Rowe Mar 14, 2012:
@Swabian native speaker '"Richtige" Spätzle werden frisch gemacht [...] Für echte Schwaben gänzlich inakzeptabel sind Fertigprodukte aus der Tüte.'

Amen!
thefastshow Mar 13, 2012:
Na geht doch !!! :)) Jetzt ist alles geklärt. Danke Coqueiro.
Coqueiro Mar 13, 2012:
Als swabian native speaker und gelegentlicher Spätzlemacher mal ein paar Worte ganz ohne Suchmaschine.

"Richtige" Spätzle werden frisch gemacht und vom Brett geschabt, sie haben unregelmäßig längliche Form. Aus der Spätzlepressse kommen im Querschnitt etwas regelmäßiger längliche Formen. Für echte Schwaben gänzlich inakzeptabel sind Fertigprodukte aus der Tüte.

Knöpfle haben dagegen gedrungene, tropfenartige Formen, kurz und etwas gedreht.

Während Spätzle schon lange von Baden bis Österreich verbreitet sind (in Oberbayern und Österreich heißen sie oft auch Spatzen), verorte ich Knöpfle eher im Allgäu.

Gnocchi, auch wenn es offenbar Varianten ohne Kartoffeln gibt, ähneln eher den in Österreich und Bayern bekannten Nockerln oder Nocken.

Spätzle send halt Spätzle, woiß doch jedr!

Für die gesuchte Übersetzung hilft das nicht viel, aber das musste 'raus ;-)

In einem Spätzleshop würde ich tendenziell keine große Hilfe erwarten ;-)
thefastshow Mar 13, 2012:
Lieber Colin .. warum fragst Du nicht mal beim www.spaetzleshop.de nach , die dieses Zitat auf ihrer Seite abgedruckt haben, weil sie irgendwelche Spätzlehobel verkaufen, anstatt eine solch erhellende Definition von Knöpfle allgemein (nicht Quarkknöpfle im speziellen ) in den Dreck zu ziehen ? Man lernt nie aus und so ein Anruf könnte uns sicher Klärung verschaffen, ob es sich dabei um Marketinggeschwafel handelt oder die Leute wirklich wissen wovon sie sprechen . :))
Colin Rowe Mar 13, 2012:
I have also never come across spaghetti-like Spätzle, but the Wiki articles for Spätzle in both English and German show both the gehobelte (short and fat) variant and the gepresste (long and thin) variant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spätzle
Colin Rowe Mar 13, 2012:
Zitat von thefastshow:
"Knöpfle sind, wie jeder weiß, die bayrische Variante von Spätzle"

Naja.
Der erste Google-Treffer für "Quarkknöpfle" behauptet, sie wären ein badische Spezialität...
Ich wohne (und esse) seit 15 Jahren in Bayerisch-Schwaben und höre das Wort "Knöpfle" heute zum ersten Mal...
"Spätzle" hingegen findet man bei uns überall.
thefastshow Mar 13, 2012:
OK due to reasons unknown to me I can't post a reference so I' ll copy the relevant text from the last link given below :
" Warum auch Knöpfle mit dem Spätzlebrett so einfach gehen
Knöpfle sind, wie jeder weiß, die bayrische Variante von Spätzle. Doch wo die Schwaben mal richtig großzügig sind, nämlich bei der Länge ihrer Spätzle, sind dafür die Bayern knauserig. Der Knöpfleteig für die Knöple ist der gleiche wie für die Spätzle, also Mehl, Eier, Salz, Wasser und Teigwürzer, lediglich in der Größe unterscheiden sich die beiden Sorten. "
thefastshow Mar 13, 2012:
originally Spätzle were home made and I've never come across any resembling Spaghettis look at this a whole page of dedication : http://www.spaetzle.de/schaben.html#einleitung
The Knöpfle are Spätzle of a certain size found in Bavaria I take it. Look here
http://www.spaetzleshop.de/de/muxels-spaetzle-rezepte/spaetz... I'll post the rest in references ..
Colin Rowe Mar 13, 2012:
@Beatrice I think we should get David to send us some. With the Tuscan sauce, of course :-)
Beatrice A. Mar 13, 2012:
@Colin It seems there is more than one way to fix Spätzle (here they are "aus der Spätzlespresse" and thus not short and fat, but long and thin). As long as they taste good, I'll eat them either way. I'd even give Quarkknöpfle a try.
Horst Huber (X) Mar 13, 2012:
This group would have native speakers of Schäbisch, even on this side of the "drink"? Lufthansa once had a daily flight Frankfurt-Philadelphia, which was always full of Schwäbisch-speaking Americans.
Colin Rowe Mar 13, 2012:
@Beatrice Certainly in my part of Bayerisch-Schwaben, at least, Spätzle are short and fat ("gehobelt", or "knöpfle type spätzle" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spätzle), rather than spaghetti-like.
Having just googled "Quarkknöpfle", the pictures definitely correspond to what we would call "Spätzle".
Horst Huber (X) Mar 13, 2012:
With Beatrice. Swabia begins right to the west of Munich, along the west shore of Starnberger See the dialect is noticeably Schwäbisch. The forms in "-le"are Schwäbisch, Bayrisch they would be "-erl". Of course lots of things are marketed as Bavarian, by the token of the post-Napoleonic state of Bavaria, which includes Bayern, Franken and Schwaben. That is all well and good, but Schwaben are of Allemannic ethnicity, which is represented in Baden-Wuerttemberg, Switzerland and Alsace-Lorraine, as it was known.
David Williams (asker) Mar 13, 2012:
Unfortnately not The cook is in Bavaria, whereas I am in Heidelberg.
Beatrice A. Mar 13, 2012:
Spätzle / Knöpfle Being a Swabian (not Bavarian) native I know that in some places in Southern Germany, Spätzle and Knöpfle can have the same dough, but Spätzle are more Spaghetti-like in shape whereas Knöpfle are a little thicker and shorter. Quarkknödel are usually a sweet dish. However, Knöpfle could also stand for Knödel, which might make a solution along the lines of 'small quark dumplings with Tuscan-style sauce' possible. ImO the 'Bavarian style gnocchi' still need a Tuscan sauce addition of some sort. Could you ask for a sample - just to see whether the dumplings are actually more like Spätzle or rather big, fat, round dumplings. ;)

Proposed translations

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Selected

Swabian egg noodles

Just to stir things up a little and add a possible alternative!

I imagine that few American readers will ever have heard of "Quark" and fewer still of "Spätzle". Most will be able to identify with "gnocchi" and, qualified with "Bavarian-style...", I think it is a good solution. I have no problem with the fact that "gnocchi" is of Italian origin, particularly as the sauce in question is stated to be "Tuscan", i.e. Italian.
However, if a solution is required that avoids any possible cultural clash, then I present this suggestion for your consideration.

Lasst's euch schmecken!

For references, see below.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-03-13 13:27:28 GMT)
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Of particular note in the reference below, is that Knöpfle is confirmed as a synonym of Spätzle.

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Of course, I do not expect that many US (or UK) readers will ever have heard of "Swabian", either, for that matter. This way, though, the customer will only have to ask the waiter for one explanation rather than two or three!

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Even more important, then, that the diners will be able to understand what they are getting! ;-)
Note from asker:
Actually, this menu is for a company canteen, so I doubt there would be a waiter in sight! ;-)
Peer comment(s):
agree Horst Huber (X) : Right, this is Swabian, not actually Bavarian, credit where credit is due.
1 hr
Interesting point about the border between "-le" and "-erl". It also works for place names, with a prevalence of "-ingen" endings to the West (Dillingen, Gablingen) and "-ing" to the East (Erding, Straubing)
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11 mins

Bavarian-style quark gnocchi ....

one suggestion ... Quarkknöpfle (or Topfenspätzle) can be used for both a sweet "Mehlspeise" and savoury dishes.

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Note added at 4 hrs (2012-03-13 15:19:47 GMT)
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or Button spätzle - see link http://www.proz.com/kudoz/german_to_english/cooking_culinary...
Note from asker:
Thanks! So does the "Bavarian-style" cover "mit toskanischer Sauce", or is that in addition to the Bavarian-style quark gnocchi?
How about Swabian-style?
Peer comment(s):
agree Clive Phillips : In this link it is savoury and may (also?) be a Baden speciality and the dough can also be used for Spätzle: http://www.chefkoch.de/rezepte/653681166887694/Quark-Knoepfl...
6 mins
neutral Wendy Streitparth : Bavarian or south German? The Baden-Würtemmberger might feel left out!
17 mins
neutral Coqueiro : Gnocchi are based on potatoes - Knöpfle are similar to Spätzle
22 mins
agree Sanni Kruger (X) : I would leave it as "Bavarian- style", since the restaurant is in Bavaria and the target audience not German.
24 mins
neutral Nicola Wood : Have to agree with Coqueiro, that gnocchi are potato based, which these are not, but do agree with Bavarian style
25 mins
agree Colin Rowe : I do not share the potato-based reservations voiced above regarding "gnocchi": see reference below.
1 hr
disagree thefastshow : I strongly disagree for reasons I posted below .
2 hrs
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2 hrs

Bavarian quark spaetzle

It's argueable to phrase a German dish with an Italian name .
Gnocchi are something in its own right and as stated in the reference section. They usually contain potatoes unlike the Spätzle.

This ain't on Ladies and Gentlemen!

American clients are mad about authentic Bavarian and German stuff, so they would like their Spaetzle (add dumpling if you like)

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/german-spaetzle-dumplings/
http://www.duden.de/suchen/dudenonline/spätzle

With regards to local cuisine and customs one wouldn't translate cheese and onion pie as Käse und Zwiebel Calzone or call Ramen a japanese Spaghetti soup.

Leave as is , Spaetzle is a term most foreigners have a rough idea about. They are sometimes also called spetzler but go with Spaetzle.
Even Bavarian Spätzle is a little off and one may also take into consideration to choose a literal translation like quark buttons

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yes but some people add dumplings for the same reasons as someone proposed gnocchi. Just so some people could remotely picture it . Besides these days many Chinese/Asians are among those Heidelberg tourists who definately will dig dumpling rather than gnocchi.
Note from asker:
But Knöpfle are much smaller than dumplings, aren't they?
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Reference comments

46 mins
Reference:

Quarkspätzle

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Reference:

Gnocchi

Gli gnocchi sono un cibo antichissimo, preparato con farine differenti: farina di frumento, di riso, di semola, con patate, pane secco, tuberi o verdure varie.

Quelli più diffusi in Italia oggi sono preparati con le patate. Altri, spesso soprannominati alla romana, vengono preparati con il semolino; altri ancora con farina di mais; inoltre vengono usati svariati altri ingredienti in base alla tradizione locale/regionale. Possono venire serviti come primo, come è tradizione in quasi tutta Italia, come piatto unico o come contorno. Quest'ultimo caso è più frequente per i knödel centreuropei.

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnocchi

For those not versed in Italian, this says that although the variety most widely found in Italy is made using potatoes, many other non-potato variants are also to be found around the world, including in Italy.

Also:

Gnocchi (English pronunciation: /ˈnɒki/, /ˈnjɒki/; Italian: [ˈɲɔkki], singular gnocco) are various thick, soft dumplings. They may be made from semolina,[1] ordinary wheat flour,[2] flour and egg,[3] flour, egg, and cheese,[4] potato,[5] breadcrumbs,[6] or similar ingredients.[7][8][9]

Like many Italian dishes, there is considerable variation in recipes and names across different regions. For example, the Tuscan malfatti are a sort of flour, ricotta, and spinach gnocchi;[10] the Pugliese cavatielli are flour-based, and so on.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnocchi


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Sorry - I omitted part of the Italian that I meant to paste:

"Gli gnocchi sono una preparazione di cucina estremamente diffusa in molti paesi del mondo e presentano differenze notevoli da un tipo all'altro sia per forma che per ingredienti."

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnocchi

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Meanwhile, on the "Spätzle" front...

Spätzle [ˈʃpɛtslə] ( listen) (Swabian diminutive of Spatz, thus literally "little sparrow", also Spätzli or Chnöpfli in Switzerland or Knöpfle or Hungarian nokedli or galuska) are a type of egg noodle of soft texture found in the cuisine of Germany and of Austria, Switzerland, Hungary, Alsace and South Tyrol.
[...]
Today, in Europe spätzle are largely considered a "Swabian speciality"[2] and are generally associated with the German states of Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spätzle
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