Jul 25, 2016 15:59
7 yrs ago
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Spanish term
provocador/es
Spanish to English
Art/Literary
Idioms / Maxims / Sayings
Witty aphorisms
SPAIN. Another 'bon mot'. The dictionary offerings (troublemaker, agitator) seem rather more negative than my understanding of the Spanish usage, where artists are often described as "provocadores", but in a positive way.
"Yo no sé por qué los provocadores nos quejamos tanto de la gente convencional. Al fin y al cabo podemos provocar por que existen ellos."
"Yo no sé por qué los provocadores nos quejamos tanto de la gente convencional. Al fin y al cabo podemos provocar por que existen ellos."
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +3 | agents provocateurs |
patinba
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| 3 | instigator/mover/champion/actor |
AllegroTrans
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| 3 | those of us who provoke others |
Helena Chavarria
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| 1 | questioner/s |
Lisa McCarthy
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Proposed translations
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24 mins
Selected
agents provocateurs
Not quite so negative, and used in relation to artists.
I don't know why we agents provocateurs complain so much about people who are conventional. After all, we are only able to provoke such people because they exist.
Transfigured Stages: Major Practitioners and Theatre Aesthetics in ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=9401200556
Margaret Hamilton - 2011 - Art
'Dramaturgies: The Artist as “Agent Provocateur” and Cultural Interventionist' in RealTime. Online at: http://www.realtimearts.net/dramaturgy/dramaturgytran.html ...
Creative License: Leeds College of Art (1963-1973)
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0718843207
James Charnley - 2014 - Art schools
From a fringe activity centred in Paris, the modernist artist's provocative stance was to ... In this perception, the artist as intellectual agent provocateur was the ...
I don't know why we agents provocateurs complain so much about people who are conventional. After all, we are only able to provoke such people because they exist.
Transfigured Stages: Major Practitioners and Theatre Aesthetics in ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=9401200556
Margaret Hamilton - 2011 - Art
'Dramaturgies: The Artist as “Agent Provocateur” and Cultural Interventionist' in RealTime. Online at: http://www.realtimearts.net/dramaturgy/dramaturgytran.html ...
Creative License: Leeds College of Art (1963-1973)
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0718843207
James Charnley - 2014 - Art schools
From a fringe activity centred in Paris, the modernist artist's provocative stance was to ... In this perception, the artist as intellectual agent provocateur was the ...
Note from asker:
| I decided to use "provocateurs" (sans agent) about 5 minute after posting, as it means I can use "provoke", as phil says :) |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I used "provocateurs". Thanks to all for chipping in :-)"
19 mins
AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Works in field
United Kingdom
Sensible solutions
Native in: English (Variant: Wessexois) 
Works in: French to English, English, English to French
Related KudoZ points
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16
instigator/mover/champion/actor
Souns like it's this kind of more neutral word you need. There are more in the Thesaurus.
Note from asker:
| I'm aware of thesauruses (thesauri?) - however, I prefer human feedback and opinions in cases like this. My previous posting got a good reaction, so I put this one out there as well. |
18 mins
Lisa McCarthy
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Spain
Especialista de marketing
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, Catalan to English
Related KudoZ points
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67
questioner/s
"Artists are often the kind of people who are questioners and truth seekers" http://t.co/oOt0IiDuTC http://t.co/MPbies9oSF
http://www.scoopnest.com/user/HuffPostArts/52437982193818009...
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1 hr
Helena Chavarria
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Spain
Striving for excellence
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, Catalan to English
Related KudoZ points
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8
those of us who provoke others
Yo no sé por qué los provocadores nos quejamos tanto de la gente convencional.
A basic translation with room for play
'I don't know why those of us who provoke others complain...'
or 'who enjoying provoking others'
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-07-25 17:19:40 GMT)
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Using the gerund in the first sentence would mean not having to repeat 'provoke'.
A basic translation with room for play
'I don't know why those of us who provoke others complain...'
or 'who enjoying provoking others'
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-07-25 17:19:40 GMT)
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Using the gerund in the first sentence would mean not having to repeat 'provoke'.
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