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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

"punta perdida" (in this context)

English translation:

lost cone

Added to glossary by Tracy Byrne
May 27, 2009 08:40
14 yrs ago
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Spanish term

"punta perdida" (in this context)

Spanish to English Tech/Engineering Geology geotechnical surveys
"La varilla utilizada es de 1000 mm, 32 mm de diámetro y punta perdida de 20 cm2". Describing the type of rod used in a DPSH (dynamic probing super-heavy) test to determine the properties of the soil. From what I have seen, "punta" in this case translates as "cone" but I can only find "nominal cone area" with similar dimensions. Any suggestions?
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 lost cone
3 +1 area

Discussion

Tracy Byrne (asker) May 27, 2009:
"sacrificial" vs "lost" Both these terms seem to be in use and there doesn't seem to be any difference in UK/US usage either. Maybe "lost" would be safer, as it's closer to the original Spanish...?
gqushair May 27, 2009:
"punta perdida" = "sacrificial cone tip"; sample "DPSH, where 1 m threaded metal rods with a sacrificial cone tip are
driven into the ground via a 63.5 kg weight falling over a 750 mm distance onto an
anvil resting on the rods."

URL:

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:Pq6bYcHE-ZcJ:wam.south-...
gqushair May 27, 2009:
"sacrificial cone tip" Hey all, based on the input of P Forgas, and using the reference provided by Rafle, I think the term may be "sacrificial tip" or "sacrificial cone tip". Look at the note in yellow under the table on the page of Rafle's URL:

http://www.archway-engineering.com/products/dp.html
P Forgas May 27, 2009:
explicación de punta perdida significa que la punta, cuando se clave la varilla en el suelo para tomar la muestra, se va a perder, va a queda enterrada y no se la va a recuperar. No sé la traducción, pero espero que te ayude a buscar.
Tracy Byrne (asker) May 27, 2009:
More related sentences Just found these 2 phrases in the translation as well: "punta redonda y perdida" and "área de la punta" (neither has any more context, as it's a table of information), so it doesn't look like it could be "cone area" after all... unfortunately!

Proposed translations

+1
4 hrs
Selected

lost cone

Yes Tracy, it is a cone. The cone can be lost or recoverable.
Your option is "lost" as the normal usage indicates.

http://soil.scijournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/73/1/46
we used a lost cone of 4 cm2 section area higher than the 2 cm2 section area of the rod (Fig. 2 ). ...

http://www.sonicsampdrill.com/uploads/081119 Brochure Seismi...
... lost cone during extraction, plus the anchor mechanism on the explosive ...

http://www.ekotechnika.cz/pdf/P1-10e.pdf
The lost cone drilling method is successfully applied

http://www.eijkelkamp.com/Products/tabid/76/CategoryID/1/Lis...
executed fast and efficient applying the so-called lost cone ...

http://www.ies.aber.ac.uk/equipment/lost-cone-drilling-setht...
The lost cone drilling method is quick,
Peer comment(s):
agree gqushair : yes.
1 day 17 hrs
gqushair, your answer is obviously also valid with a good research effort behind, thanks.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks for this - very useful. Also "sacrificial cone" (see discussion) but I opted for this one."
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area

Tracy,

This is from a UK company (GEOTECHNICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL
ENGINEERS):

"The DPSH (super heavy) dynamic probing rig drives a 35mm diameter rod with a 20cm2 area, 90° end cone into the ground by means of a 63.5kg hammer that falls freely through a distance of 0.75m."

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Note added at 11 mins (2009-05-27 08:52:27 GMT)
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Here both the area and the angle seem to refer to the cone, so it could also be "cone area of 20 cm2" in your example.
Reference:

http://images.kingston.gov.uk/images_dellstore/DC/0814430/Image_5.pdf

Note from asker:
Thanks for the suggestion. I thought it might be this too, at the beginning, until more context made me realise it couldn't be. I appreciate the suggestion though.
Peer comment(s):
agree Rafle : Yes! http://www.archway-engineering.com/products/dp.html
1 hr
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