| Stron w wątku: [1 2] > | Please stay clear of Tranzlators.com / transquotation(www.transquotation.com), it's a scam!!!! Autor wątku: AndyTsai
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AndyTsai 
Chiny
Local time: 10:44
chiński > angielski
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Dear colleagues,
I'm posting to disclose a shameful scam website: www.transquotation.com(owner:[email protected]) now that I'm 100% sure that it is a thorough scam.
Starting from early last year, I have noticed this website and registered on it without being a member, but it kept on sending me those email alerts of "large projects", they are quite attractive because each and... See more Dear colleagues,
I'm posting to disclose a shameful scam website: www.transquotation.com(owner:[email protected]) now that I'm 100% sure that it is a thorough scam.
Starting from early last year, I have noticed this website and registered on it without being a member, but it kept on sending me those email alerts of "large projects", they are quite attractive because each and every one of them has a word count of 20K to 100K, so I finally decided to become a member of it in March after I subscribed to the membership of proz(which is quite rewarding, to be frank) and invested 95EUR, which is quite a shame since if I had done more google searches, I would have found it to be a scam early on. Please see the following posts:
http://www.proz.com/forum/prozcom_job_systems/46997-my_job_has_appeared_on_another_site.html
http://www.proz.com/forum/prozcom_job_systems/61498-posted_job_exclusively_on_prozcom_but_it_appeared_on_transquotationcom.html
After about a month and dozens of active biddings, I got nothing, not even a rejection, and when I was bidding on those projects, I could not see anything about the job posters, which was quite unconvincing, so I contacted Linda, owner of transquotation.com explaining my thoughts, after one or two days, she got back to me by saying:
We are not in control of who the posters of projects contact and who they do not, as there are a lot of variables involved such as pricing, experience etc. We are just a medium, just like other job boards are not in control of the posters contact their bidders. Once they contact you, then you can see their details but it is not shown on the project until they accept your bid. If they place a website etc then the translator can go straight to their website to bid instead of using our panel.
Bidding on 5 jobs is not considered to be a lot. Note that companies that post with us, do place their logo on our site.
Well, it doesn't look so bad, does it? So I kept on bidding with the hope that sooner or later I would catch the job poster's eyes and finally recover my investment's worth, however, after yet another several trials, I carefully examined those job alerts and figured out a similarity and had a suspicion that those projects were fabricated by the site owner herself, I googled it and found the above two posts on proz, therefore I wrote to Linda([email protected]) for a refund, she answered me with so-called once-again fabricated terms and conditions which I had never caught sight of when subscribing, claiming that refund could only be made within 48 hours. So I resorted to Paypal mediation and hoped it could seek a refund for me.
Today I received another two job alerts for my language pairs English-Chinese and English-Japanese which are numbered 864509 and 864511 respectively. The content for English-Chinese is as follows:
TQ Project # 864509
Posted on: April/4/2011 19:19Source LanguageEnglishTarget LanguageChineseText TypeProofreadingWord Count17200Due Datenot specified (Normal)Rate/word or Total pricesubmit your rate
Additional Instructions
We are looking for freelance translators available to work on the editing of a human resource project that is being translated and needs to be absolutely perfect at the end of the editing process.
The candidate must have at least 5 years of proved experience in translating/editing human resource material and also needs to have high skills in the use of Microsoft Word for Windows, as the layout will have to be exactly as the one provided, so some adjustments in it may be needed.
To quote please send us your CV. A Skype address is also appreciated.
Thank you.
I got so suspicious that I googled the first half sentence and found this job listed on proz:
http://www.proz.com/translation-jobs/516851
Languages: English to French
Job description:
We are looking for a native French (France) freelance translators available to work on the editing of a human resource project that is being translated and needs to be absolutely perfect at the end of the editing process.
The candidate must have at least 5 years of proved experience in translating/editing human resource material and also needs to have high skills in the use of Microsoft Word for Windows, as the layout will have to be exactly as the one provided, so some adjustments in it may be needed.
To quote please send us your CV. A Skype address is also appreciated.
Thank you.
They changed nothing but the target language from "French" to "Chinese" and "Japanese", and it can't be more clear, the jobs they kept emailing were indeed fabricated by themselves!!!! Be it self-made or copied from other sites, none of these have been real jobs, but all these times I have been bidding on the projects, hoping against hope that luck would for once favor me...
Dear colleagues, especially those who have been victims like me, I suggest we together take actions against the shameless act by submitting complaints on paypal and thinking of other means to finally root out the website (www.transquotation.com) and hopefully, get Linda, the one behind it.
It has been in existence since 2006(the above posts were posted in 2006) and maybe even earlier, all these years she has been cheating our hard-earned money. We cannot let this happen any longer! ▲ Collapse
| | | | Serge AWONO
Kamerun
Local time: 03:44
angielski > francuski
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Hi Andy,
It happens that I've also been registered for 1 year at transquotation and I've never been awarded any job. I sent a mail to Linda a few months ago and below is the answer I got from her:
Dear Member,
TQ site is solely a medium for those searching for translators and those in search of translation jobs. What transpires once the posted projects are presented and the bids delivered is not within our control.
Each individual/company must rese... See more Hi Andy,
It happens that I've also been registered for 1 year at transquotation and I've never been awarded any job. I sent a mail to Linda a few months ago and below is the answer I got from her:
Dear Member,
TQ site is solely a medium for those searching for translators and those in search of translation jobs. What transpires once the posted projects are presented and the bids delivered is not within our control.
Each individual/company must research the market, its competitors, industries supply & demand, reputability vs discounted pricing, etc and, draw reasonable conclusions as to the outcome of their approach toward the corresponding business.
We are similar to a newspaper with classified ads. If you called all the ads searching for a job, and did not get a response, you would not call the newspaper to ask why.
Regards
I've been registered there for more than one year and I never got a job from any client, also I did a Google search and found that some of the jobs posted on Proz were the same as those posted on TQ...May be we have to think of taking a legal action against her...
Please advise
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1. TQ is - as Linda said - just a website where agencies or clientes post job offers. Period. You may apply or may not apply. You may be selected or maybe not, AS IN ANY OTHER WEBSITE, INCLUDING THIS ONE. End of the story. That does not make the site a scam or dishonest.
2. Even if you were right, this is not the proper forum to post this. This post belongs to the Blue Board and you should know it. You may be faced with law suits or put Proz at that risk.
To be on the ... See more 1. TQ is - as Linda said - just a website where agencies or clientes post job offers. Period. You may apply or may not apply. You may be selected or maybe not, AS IN ANY OTHER WEBSITE, INCLUDING THIS ONE. End of the story. That does not make the site a scam or dishonest.
2. Even if you were right, this is not the proper forum to post this. This post belongs to the Blue Board and you should know it. You may be faced with law suits or put Proz at that risk.
To be on the safe side and before a moderator deletes this whole thread, you may edit your post and delete names and email addresses to abide by Forum rules.
[Edited at 2011-04-05 21:55 GMT] ▲ Collapse
| | | | AndyTsai
Chiny
Local time: 10:44
chiński > angielski
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NOWY TEMAT | Nothing wrong! | Apr 6, 2011 |
First of all, TQ is, as I said, with solid proof, fabricating projects to make us invest our money, do you think it can be justified? You theory might have been "TQ is a website, good or not, you may be cheated or not cheated, that's your choice, stick with it and do not complain!"
With regard to whether this is an appropriate place to post this, I think this post getting approved explains everything.
I'm taking the time to write this post in the hope of warning our col... See more First of all, TQ is, as I said, with solid proof, fabricating projects to make us invest our money, do you think it can be justified? You theory might have been "TQ is a website, good or not, you may be cheated or not cheated, that's your choice, stick with it and do not complain!"
With regard to whether this is an appropriate place to post this, I think this post getting approved explains everything.
I'm taking the time to write this post in the hope of warning our colleagues against being cheated in the future.
I have solid proof in hand, so if there will be a lawsuit, I shall get my money back soon.
Walter Landesman wrote:
1. TQ is - as Linda said - just a website where agencies or clientes post job offers. Period. You may apply or may not apply. You may be selected or maybe not, AS IN ANY OTHER WEBSITE, INCLUDING THIS ONE. End of the story. That does not make the site a scam or dishonest.
2. Even if you were right, this is not the proper forum to post this. This post belongs to the Blue Board and you should know it. You may be faced with law suits or put Proz at that risk.
To be on the safe side and before a moderator deletes this whole thread, you may edit your post and delete names and email addresses to abide by Forum rules.
[Edited at 2011-04-05 21:55 GMT] ▲ Collapse
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| The other party has a right to reply | Apr 6, 2011 |
AndyTsai wrote:
I have solid proof in hand, so if there will be a lawsuit, I shall get my money back soon.
Hi Andy,
Haven't you already received a full refund?
Anyway, I think that as it wouldn`t be right for TQ or any another similar site to post messages from irritated Proz customers on its site, I think Proz should not do that with their competition.
If Proz and TQ were both traditional storefronts on a street side by side it would not be credible if they put a sign in their window saying that this store beside us is a fraud.
It is obviously a one sided argument. TQ cannot reply or state their case, as they could do in the Blue Board, because they are not notified of this thread nor given the chance to reply.
I suggest Proz to let TQ know about this thread and give them the chance to reply and give their own version of the facts here stated.
| | | | Georgi Kovachev
Bułgaria
Local time: 05:44
Członek ProZ.com
od 2010
angielski > bułgarski
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| Did (all of) you check the contact data? | Apr 6, 2011 |
Hi,
I got interested in the topic and checked that site. If you go to the Contact Us section, however, you will find there neither a company name nor a company registration number, nor an address. Why should one keep such data hidden, if she/he would like to do fair business? I personally insists on knowing whom I am doing business with.
Well, this fact would make me steer clear of them. It's better not to deal with spooks.
| | | | John Rawlins
Hiszpania
Local time: 04:44
hiszpański > angielski
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I believe that Andy is right to draw attention to a fraudulent translation business in this forum. The Blueboard is an excellent place to separate the goats from the sheep among translation agencies - but I do not believe it is the best place to draw attention to businesses that are entirely fraudulent. And the evidence that Andy provides does suggest fraud.
| | | | | What makes this site scam or not? | Apr 6, 2011 |
Walter Landesman wrote:
TQ is - as Linda said - just a website where agencies or clientes post job offers. Period. You may apply or may not apply. You may be selected or maybe not, AS IN ANY OTHER WEBSITE, INCLUDING THIS ONE. End of the story. That does not make the site a scam or dishonest.
There's a "membership fee" and if the job offers are fake, this makes the site scam and dishonest. Period.
Or am I missing something?
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| Perhaps this one? | Apr 6, 2011 |
Witold Chocholski wrote: Walter Landesman wrote:
TQ is - as Linda said - just a website where agencies or clientes post job offers. Period. You may apply or may not apply. You may be selected or maybe not, AS IN ANY OTHER WEBSITE, INCLUDING THIS ONE. End of the story. That does not make the site a scam or dishonest.
There's a "membership fee" and if the job offers are fake, this makes the site scam and dishonest. Period. Or am I missing something?
Perhaps you are missing this thread, Witold: http://tinyurl.com/5rpky4g
| | | | | It's not "just a website where agencies or clientes post job offers" | Apr 6, 2011 |
Stanislav Pokorny wrote: Witold Chocholski wrote: Walter Landesman wrote:
TQ is - as Linda said - just a website where agencies or clientes post job offers. Period. You may apply or may not apply. You may be selected or maybe not, AS IN ANY OTHER WEBSITE, INCLUDING THIS ONE. End of the story. That does not make the site a scam or dishonest.
There's a "membership fee" and if the job offers are fake, this makes the site scam and dishonest. Period. Or am I missing something? Perhaps you are missing this thread, Witold: http://tinyurl.com/5rpky4g
Well yes, but that thread only confirms the worst expectations and may prove the point it's a faudulent site. Let's take this one for example:
"Unfortunately, I subscribed a 6 months full membership in order to able to bid on these projects.
The Paypal email I received surprised me a lot when I saw that the beneficiary of the money transfer was: paypal xx @ xx transquotation xx .cm
Pay attention: CM (Camerun) and not COM
I also tried to reach www. xx transquotation xx .cm
The site does not exist at all as it is unreachable due to a virus so please don't point your browser there!
My impression, they cheat translators in subscribing to this sham site and they post appealing projects that don't exist."
I am not going to investigate the matter as I personally have never registered there (it looked a bit suspicious for me) but I think it's not "just a website where agencies or clientes post job offers". The matter doesn't look so simple. Firstly, because it seems the clients in fact don't post the job offers there.
| | | | | Forum rules: Rule Number 3 | Apr 7, 2011 |
Well, I still fail to understand how this discussion is stilll here, in the open, in the public forum.
TQ may be a good site or it may be not. We may get jobs over there or may not. But no proof has been produced or stated so far that transquotation.com is an offender or a criminal website trying to steal from translators' pockets and therefore freelancers are to be told and protected.
I think it is just a mere portal where we may see posted jobs, no matter where thos... See more Well, I still fail to understand how this discussion is stilll here, in the open, in the public forum.
TQ may be a good site or it may be not. We may get jobs over there or may not. But no proof has been produced or stated so far that transquotation.com is an offender or a criminal website trying to steal from translators' pockets and therefore freelancers are to be told and protected.
I think it is just a mere portal where we may see posted jobs, no matter where those jobs come from. You may then apply to those jobs if you feel like it. And may or may not get the job, as in any other site, Proz included.
It is up to you, to me, to Peter and Jane, to register and pay a fee if you want to try it out. I haven't done it and I am not planning to do it. But the Internet is a free world, free enterprise. You want to take the risk, go ahead! You want to be careful and browse the net and gather information about any site before delivering any money, that is a wise move. You may want to pay for 1-2 monhs just to try it out, that is wise too.
But this site - Proz - has rules and rules have to be respected and inforced if you want the others to do the same. I am not a member of TQ and don`t know anybody related to the site, but fair is fair, and what is going on over here is unfair.
This debate is in plain violation of Rule #3, which states: Discussion of sites offering competing services is also prohibited, due to past abuse.
http://www.proz.com/siterules/general/3#3
Proz.com forums should abide by Forum rules, including that one. ▲ Collapse
| | | | AndyTsai
Chiny
Local time: 10:44
chiński > angielski
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NOWY TEMAT | How do you know I have received a full refund? | Apr 8, 2011 |
Dear colleagues,
Please carefully examine Mr Landesman's replies and my posts, and you'll figure out a big mystery!
In particular, I want you to take a good look at this one, "Haven't you already received a full refund?", mind you, I have never said this in this thread.
Thank you.
Walter Landesman wrote: AndyTsai wrote:
I have solid proof in hand, so if there will be a lawsuit, I shall get my money back soon.
Hi Andy, Haven't you already received a full refund? Anyway, I think that as it wouldn`t be right for TQ or any another similar site to post messages from irritated Proz customers on its site, I think Proz should not do that with their competition. If Proz and TQ were both traditional storefronts on a street side by side it would not be credible if they put a sign in their window saying that this store beside us is a fraud. It is obviously a one sided argument. TQ cannot reply or state their case, as they could do in the Blue Board, because they are not notified of this thread nor given the chance to reply. I suggest Proz to let TQ know about this thread and give them the chance to reply and give their own version of the facts here stated.
[Edited at 2011-04-09 01:26 GMT]
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| You are missing the point. | Apr 13, 2011 |
AndyTsai wrote:
How do you know I have received a full refund?
I don't know. From your question now it seems you have. Have you? I was just asking. Anyway, I don`t care whether you have or not.
You are missing the point. My point was not about you, but about forum rules. I stated this topic shouldn`t have been discussed in the public forum but in the BB.
We should all abide by the rules. That was my whole point.
| | | | AndyTsai
Chiny
Local time: 10:44
chiński > angielski
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NOWY TEMAT
They are now posting my pictures and information on their website and claiming I am a scam, please see this, http://www.transquotation.com/, on the left side this page, they have a "Scam Warning" which is dedicated for me.
Dear colleagues,
Do you have any good suggestion as to how to handle this?
Best regards,
Andy Tsai
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