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Poll: Who has influenced you the most? Initiator des Themas: ProZ.com Staff
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Tom in London
Vereinigtes Königreich
Local time: 22:58
Mitglied (2008)
Italienisch > Englisch
Christopher Schröder wrote:
The last verse is a cop-out. He should've written about what it's like to see clear as day how you've messed your own kids up in turn, and are largely powerless to do anything about it.
No. His advice is not to have any kids yourself. Perhaps you'd like to have a go at writing an alternative verse?
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| Children of our parents | Dec 14, 2023 |
A quote by Heraclitus comes to mind:
"We should not speak and act as children of our parents.”
οὐ δεῖ [ὡς] παῖδας τοκεώνων [ποιεῖν καὶ λέγειν]
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Dan Lucas 
Vereinigtes Königreich
Local time: 22:58
Mitglied (2014)
Japanisch > Englisch
| If I find my attitudes aligning with those of Larkin I get worried | Dec 14, 2023 |
We're all different.
I love/loved my parents, despite frequent clashes in my teens.
I don't blame my failings or my life's problems on them.
So I'll take sunny Adrian Mitchell over sourpuss Larkin any day. (You should read the Larkin above first for the full effect.)
This be the worse
They tuck you up, your Mum and Dad.
They read you Peter Rabbit, too.
They give you all the treats they had
And add some extra, just for you.
They were tucked up when they were small,
(Pink perfume, blue tobacco-smoke),
By those whose kiss healed any fall,
Whose laughter doubled any joke.
Man hands on happiness to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
So love your parents all you can
And have some cheerful kids yourself.
I did, thanks.
I also like this rejoinder to Larkin from Judith Rich Harris, quoted in the page to which I linked above.
How sharper than a serpent's tooth
To hear your child make such a fuss.
It isn't fair — it's not the truth —
He's fucked up, yes, but not by us.
Regards,
Dan
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Kevin Fulton
Vereinigte Staaten
Local time: 17:58
Deutsch > Englisch
Groucho, that is, and his brothers Chico and Harpo
[Edited at 2023-12-14 21:02 GMT]
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Philip Lees
Griechenland
Local time: 00:58
Griechisch > Englisch
I could touch on all the bases other people have already covered: my parents, who provided the stable family substrate on which all the rest was constructed; some excellent teachers, who opened my eyes to new ways of experiencing and doing; fellow students at university, where I arrived thinking myself a brilliant student, only to discover that I was in fact below average; my grandmother and her social circle, who taught me that most of what I thought was new, was not.
But just to b... See more I could touch on all the bases other people have already covered: my parents, who provided the stable family substrate on which all the rest was constructed; some excellent teachers, who opened my eyes to new ways of experiencing and doing; fellow students at university, where I arrived thinking myself a brilliant student, only to discover that I was in fact below average; my grandmother and her social circle, who taught me that most of what I thought was new, was not.
But just to be different, I'll pick on the Monty Python team, who in that show and its precursors (I'm Sorry I'll Read that Again, At Last The 1948 Show) largely formed my sense of humour during the 1960s.
Without the ability to laugh at even the most grotesque misfortunes, I don't think I'd have made it this far.
[Edited at 2023-12-15 08:39 GMT] ▲ Collapse
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Thayenga
Deutschland
Local time: 23:58
Mitglied (2009)
Englisch > Deutsch
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His songs ignited my interest in English and other languages followed.
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| Shimon Peres | Dec 15, 2023 |
The only philosopher in a political office.
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Tom in London
Vereinigtes Königreich
Local time: 22:58
Mitglied (2008)
Italienisch > Englisch
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Dan Lucas
Vereinigtes Königreich
Local time: 22:58
Mitglied (2014)
Japanisch > Englisch
Tom in London wrote:
Just can't take it
Just don't agree with it.
Dan
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Angie Garbarino
Local time: 23:58
Mitglied (2003)
Französisch > Italienisch
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She was hard worker like few and loved writing. I keep her stories like treasures.
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Tom in London
Vereinigtes Königreich
Local time: 22:58
Mitglied (2008)
Italienisch > Englisch
| You're lucky | Dec 15, 2023 |
Angie Garbarino wrote:
She was hard worker like few and loved writing. I keep her stories like treasures.
You're lucky to have had a mother who was on your side.
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Tom in London wrote:
You're lucky to have had a mother who was on your side.
Isn’t that what the vast majority of mothers do?
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Baran Keki
Türkei
Local time: 00:58
Mitglied
Englisch > Türkisch
Christopher Schröder wrote:
Isn’t that what the vast majority of mothers do?
Not if it's Tony Sopranos' mum.. and he was Italian.. so was his mom.. oh shit... I've gone and done it again!
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Tom in London
Vereinigtes Königreich
Local time: 22:58
Mitglied (2008)
Italienisch > Englisch
Christopher Schröder wrote: Tom in London wrote:
You're lucky to have had a mother who was on your side. Isn’t that what the vast majority of mothers do?
Not according to Alice Miller (whose book I mentioned). They may think they are on the child's side and "doing thie best for them", but this may be obstructing and frustrating the child, who may have other plans.
There was a generation that understood this and wrote songs with lyrics like
She goes down the stairs to the kitchen
Clutching her handkerchief
Quietly turning the back door key
Stepping outside, she is free
She, ... (we gave her most of our lives)
Is leaving (sacrificed most of our lives)
Home (we gave her everything money could buy)
She's leaving home, after living alone, for so many years
[Edited at 2023-12-16 11:14 GMT]
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Angie Garbarino
Local time: 23:58
Mitglied (2003)
Französisch > Italienisch
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Baran Keki wrote:
oh shit... I've gone and done it again!
 BTW my mother was French
[Edited at 2023-12-16 13:13 GMT]
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